haha this is entertaining. Although I definitely understand where Mihai is coming from. The decision for killing softimage was probably made in some board room, by a bunch of bean counters that know little about our industry and are definitely not here for anything other than making money.
i dont think any of those people would bother coming into this list and trying to speak with us, they are probably too busy at some Eyes Wide Shut event sacrificing small puppies and counting their money. So attacking Chris is both unfair and unkind. This is this guys job, we've all worked for a companies in the past where we did not agree with the management. He probably has kids to feed, and a family to support. Be kind to the guy and lets not make his day shit. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Gerbrand Nel <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow.. that just happened.. the subtle thunderous crack of the AD whip... > Hold on guys. I need to get some popcorn for this!! > > > > On 2014/03/08 01:54 AM, Chris Vienneau wrote: > >> Hi Mihai, >> >> You are listed on your online profile as an employee of next limit. I >> can't find your seats in our database. You have made good points. We don't >> mind keeping this forum open for discussion about alternatives and AutoDesk >> bashing without moderation as we are looking into some of the other ideas >> that have come up. >> >> Cv/ >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone. Yes I said windows phone. >> ________________________________ >> From: Mihai Iliuta<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: 2014-03-07 6:22 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:softimage@listproc. >> autodesk.com> >> Subject: Re: Listening >> >> "but maybe,with some of the element from the Softimage dev team,something >> good could be done and maybe we'll see some huge improvement on Maya and >> Max" >> >> You know, it would be interesting to know the thoughts of those >> developers. How do they feel working for this company now? Especially ex >> XSI devs. I would still like to think the talented people that create this >> software do it because of passion, and that they truly care about their >> product. I haven't seen any other 3D app come close to the thoughtfullness >> that went into every aspect of XSI. And why I picked up within days of >> trying it out. Everything else compared to it was clunky mess. You felt it >> was created by artists, not accountants with no damn idea of ergonomics. To >> see that kind of talent which created such software, be assimilated and >> forgotten in the abysmal hole that is this company would be the saddest >> thing of this whole mess. >> >> So, yes, what are the developers thinking right now would be interesting >> to know.... >> >> >> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Nicolas Esposito <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hey Mihai, >> >From one side its clear that they put one guy to explain a bit better >> the transition situation and,of course,tale a bunch of shit because they >> sure were expecting this >> >> If mr Vinneau want to still work for AD even if they are corporate >> business who don't care at all about their customer I don't care that >> much,is his decision,so if he get a check for all the shit I don't >> care,because I strongly doubt that who pulled the plug on Softimage will >> never go out public and say "I'm responsible for the shutdown of Softimage" >> >> What I would like to see however is one fo the AD CEO make a video for >> the entire situation,and explain why greed is good (Wall Street reference >> :-p ) >> >> If we're talking about corporate aholes you would also keep your money >> under the bed amd grow your own food >> >> Its business,Softimage never was the first choice for AD,we all know why >> they bought it,and it was a matter of time >> >> What I meant abot the "big hit on subscription" was related to the fact >> that,if they start to loose customers fast,maybe they'll start to do >> something about the situation >> Softimage wont be resurrected,but maybe,with some of the element from the >> Softimage dev team,something good could be done and maybe we'll see some >> huge improvement on Maya and Max >> But they better do something quick,because everyone now realized what AD >> is really about....money money money!!!! >> >> Il 07/mar/2014 23:05 "Mihai Iliuta" <[email protected]<mailto:mih >> [email protected]>> ha scritto: >> >> Nicolas, I'm not sure I understand your position here. On one hand you're >> saying: >> "personal attacks to someone who's not responsable of the entire >> situation is just wrong" >> >> on the other: >> "but in this case I really hope that AD will receive a huge hit in >> subscriptions and l'ora of developers switch to other companies,because >> this is a really really bad decision" >> >> So on one hand, poor Mr Vienneau is not responsible, but you still wish >> that eventually enough people will leave that AD goes bankrupt and >> Mr.Vienneau looses his job. >> >> That's kind of more personal than my words :P And btw, I hope for the >> precise same thing as well. >> >> Ok. If Mr.Vienneau and his lies aren't really responsible than who is? >> Things just don't get decided by themselves, it's not a machine deciding >> this. >> >> And if I was in Mr Vinneaus shoes, I would feel ill to my stomach coming >> in to work each day, working for absolute scumbags. >> >> Enjoy that pay check Mr Vienneau. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Nicolas Esposito <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Agree,personal attacks to someone who's not responsable of the entire >> situation is just wrong >> I can understand how pissed off you are (and here a lot of people are >> pissed off) but right now this ia the situation,so better deal with it or >> be angry for the next two years >> >> AD showed that they rather push their "old" softwares instead of >> Softimage,and we all know how advanced this software is (not for >> everything,but we all know it ) >> >> I do not want anyone to loose their job,but in this case I really hope >> that AD will receive a huge hit in subscriptions and l'ora of developers >> switch to other companies,because this is a really really bad decision >> >> I hoped that they would keep up Softimage at least as a VFX tool (because >> of ICE) and push it for game development (which is widely used inside big >> game developers ),but no,they "create" Maya Lite for that....while >> Softimage (since release 7?) have already lots of tools for game >> development.... >> >> Cheers AD CEOs, you fucked it up big time >> >> Il 07/mar/2014 22:44 "Mihai Iliuta" <[email protected]<mailto:mih >> [email protected]>> ha scritto: >> >> You are listening?? >> >> Ok, listen to your own bullshit: >> >> "The first is to flatly call out that the rumor that the eol of Softimage >> and 3dsmax is upon us is totally false." >> >> "Cory Mogk is now also responsible for Softimage and we have been working >> with the team on the future of the product with lots of key customers." >> >> "We understand people make their living from this software and that they >> make huge decisions about their projects and companies and we take that >> responsibility very seriously." >> >> "Again the door is open to contact us or challenge us. Please let >> everyone you know their products are safe." >> >> >> So today, we can safely say you are a lying piece of shit. You have no >> dignity, you have no character, and you have no word. I can't imagine any >> developer feeling any pride anymore working for you or this fucked up >> company. What you have done here and HOW you've done it, is irreparable and >> you and your company is from now on going downhill. You expect anybody to >> ever trust you or your company again? Is that worth anything for a >> business? It's worth everything. >> >> Nobody finds it in the least suspicious why SI was killed now? When the >> whole community around SI and the nr of independent developers working >> developing tools for it was at an all time high??? >> >> I don't know when you lost your balls and your word Mr. Vienneau, but >> "good luck" regaining both. >> >> Piece of shit. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Perry Harovas <[email protected]< >> mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> While Dan's heart is breaking (and so is mine), I still have (at least) >> one nagging question: >> >> Clearly this has been under discussion for a while at Autodesk, so why >> were the following comments >> from September 5th of 2012 made: >> >> "The rumor that the EOL of Softimage and 3DS Max is upon us is totally >> false." >> >> So, if I understand this correctly, what I get out of it is that when >> Autodesk assures customers that their product is not on the chopping block, >> that statement is really only good for about a year and a half (less if >> you take into account that this EOL must have been decided a while back). >> >> That doesn't imbue anyone with much confidence. I am not a 3DS Max user, >> but if I was, I think I'd be worried, and would take any Autodesk >> assurances that there was no reason to worry >> with a very large grain of salt. >> >> Can someone please, finally, address this? >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Tim Crowson <tim.crowson@magneticdreams. >> com<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Thanks Chris! And thanks as well for the update to the licensing terms. >> That's a big deal. >> -Tim >> >> >> On 3/7/2014 2:14 PM, Dan Pejril wrote: >> Good to know you are listening. >> >> If you listen closely, you can heart my heart breaking.... >> >> On 3/7/2014 3:01 PM, Chris Vienneau wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I just want to let you know there are people from the maya dev and pm >> teams coming online to this forum but we are shipping software and >> answering a lot of calls but the mails you are writing are being passed >> back and forth as they are coming at a furious pace. Stay tuned for some >> answers and we plan on doing some private webinars under NDA for soft users >> to ask questions direct to us. Anyone interested in such a thing please >> write me a private mail at [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto: >> [email protected]> . >> >> Thx. >> >> Cv/ >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> Perry Harovas >> 203-448-7206<tel:203-448-7206> >> Animation and Visual Effects >> >> http://www.TheAfterImage.com<http://www.theafterimage.com/> >> >> -24 years experience >> -Co-Author of "Mastering Maya"<http://www.amazon.com/ >> Mastering-Maya-Complete-Perry-Harovas/dp/0782125212> >> -Member of the Visual Effects Society (VES)<http://www. >> visualeffectssociety.com/> >> >> >> >> >
