Shouldn't we setup an alternate mailing list in order not to give any heads up to AD about this ?
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Jason S <jasonsta...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, even though there may potentially be some results out of a lawsuit, > such measures can hardly be seen as all that much less reprehensible as > forcing people into decisions in the first place. > > Forcing back (or threats thereof?) in response to forcing? > > Despite anything positive that could come out of that, > it would very most-likely entail or pronounce future debacles/behavior of > the sorts, > and consequently similar counter-measures.. not unlike a "cycle". > > And I think the fact that we are appealing to people (that can understand, > reason & be reasoned-with) > can be leveraged-upon for a far less "brute" resolve to which everyone > could live with. > > People have been very respectful (for the larger part) in most of the > responses so far (many responses) > so lets not ruin that momentum shall we? > > > > On 03/16/14 21:02, Doeke Wartena wrote: > > I think it will be very expensive but i would be happy to donate some. > > > 2014-03-16 20:16 GMT+01:00 Tenshi Sama <tenshu...@gmail.com>: > >> I'm not a lawyer, but i think with Autodesk history there's maybe a >> case here. The only way i think this could be accomplished is with all the >> community support; from studios to freelancers; important people; then, >> gather all the info from past years, videos, open letters, discussions, >> petitions, AD statements about Softimage future. I mean, everything!. And >> maybe we could have a case here.(maybe a weak one, but still a case) >> >> The problem i see with this is that people is not going to support >> something like this, because it requires investment and time. Human beings >> think first about their priorities, families and life itself(which is fine). >> But, if only we could give support to something like this, this kind of >> "monopoly" cases, will be over for decades, because company's will know for >> sure that Users will fight for their rights. >> >> Don't misunderstand me, i hate the way Autode$k manage things, i would >> love to see the law force them to give the users what they promess year >> after year. What I do not like to see is how people bow to Autodesk and let >> them decide the path that everyone must follow. >> >> So... ,first we need a good representative, then a good lawyer, >> community support, and money. >> >> (sorry for my english) >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Chris Vienneau < >> chris.vienn...@autodesk.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Things are very different than six years ago. In terms of competition >>> for Autodesk, you can now argue in different industries there is Cinema 4D, >>> Modo, Houdini, Zbrush, 3D coat, and even Unity (now has modeling tools) >>> that can replace functionality that was once only available in 3dsmax, >>> Maya, and Softimage. Things are more and more about playing nice with other >>> tools in an ecosystem than one package to rule them all. >>> >>> >>> >>> cv/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] on behalf of Ben Barker [ >>> ben.bar...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:38 PM >>> To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>> Subject: Re: Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit >>> >>> I'm not a lawyer either, but a few thoughts. When AD first bought >>> Softimage there were talks of monopoly. Unfortunately for us, AD's biggest >>> market is CAD, and they have several competitors in that arena. The >>> government doesn't really parcel out the market in a way that favors a >>> claim on monopoly for 3D artists. We are just a small bulb on a large tree. >>> >>> Secondly, and this is a more serious problem, antitrust basically >>> doesn't exist anymore in the US like it did in the days of Ma Bell. I >>> talked with my partner, who is a larval lawyer, about this issue quite a >>> bit. Every antitrust decision for the past 70 years has gnawed away at >>> plaintiff power in antitrust cases and now there is essentially nothing >>> left. Combined with the weak case we would already have from the first >>> part, and I think this would be a really difficult row to hoe. That money >>> and energy would probably be better spent re-educating and resource sharing >>> among SI artists so they can move on, or perhaps fighting the >>> subsidy/tariff issue. >>> >>> I understand the anger, and it's heartbreaking to watch a superior >>> product die in favor of Maya, but this wouldn't be a good way to retaliate >>> IMO. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 12:06 PM, skuby <sku...@gmail.com<mailto: >>> sku...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> There may be a case here for an Antitrust Class Action Lawsuit against >>> Autodesk. We would need to have a lawyer look at the details and I'm not >>> the person to be able to do this, as I don't have the resources, >>> connections or credibility to do so. >>> >>> However, if successful, it is potentially possible that Autodesk could >>> be forced to divest their Softimage assets, aka. they could be compelled by >>> a court to sell Softimage to a competitor at it's fair market value. >>> >>> Anyways, maybe someone out there in the aether can give the idea a shot, >>> I would not know where to start outside of this initial suggestion. >>> >>> The Federal Trade Commission along with the Department of Justice >>> Antitrust Division jointly regulate and enforce Antitrust Law and >>> Anti-Competitive Monopoly practices. >>> >>> Anyways, this might work a little better than a petition to Autodesk or >>> other-such cries for a change of heart, but the petition someone put out >>> there to Autodesk might serve some use when presenting the idea to a >>> Lawyer(s). I think a lot of people and interested parties might just >>> support crowdfunding for legal fees. Good luck. >>> >>> >> > > >
