Prior to the EOL announcement this list was getting maybe 40 messages per day. Since then it's been getting about 150+ messages per day which hasn't been seen for nearly 10 years.
The point - very soon it will return to business as usual, but in the longer term people will slowly peel off to whatever they're migrating to and become occasional contributors or lurkers until the last one out shuts off the lights. I refer you to past lists including the half dozen lists that used to exist for Softimage|3D as examples. I agree some formatting improvements may be desirable such as trimming redundant text copied in each reply, but I don't think there will be enough message volume to justify a switch once things calm down. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rares Halmagean Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:24 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage user "migrating" to Maya The list should remain a reliable place for professionals to help one another out and discuss industry specific topics related to xsi, with the occasional banter here and there to lighten things up. That said I think the level of chatter is understandable given xsi's eol. I mean this is a big change for lots of people. Once things cool down, it would be good for veterans of the list to take the lead and come to an agreement on best practices with those newer or less active. I know there was a discussion about possibly migrating to a more manageable format? Either way, maybe there should be a system in place as a reminder of best practices. In the mean time, I'll sit back and entertain myself with some of the great comments by the long time softies and the impassioned comments by all effected. :o) And i highly recommend a collapsible thread format for viewing emails like in thunderbird. On 3/20/2014 10:24 PM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Wow wow, are you on crack or something? I have not ONCE replied to BK/Paul Smith on this list. I've talked to him several times and there is no measure to how much I respect the guy. I sure as hell haven't called him stupid publicly or privately, EVER. That is some seriously shitty and absolutely unfounded accusation right there. WTF? And yes, I replied to Alok's thread, who's an ex alumni of mine for the record, and another person I have respect for and he knows it, only to the extent of mentioning that I believe TDs in the near future would have made better use of their time divesting and reskilling themselves. Given I sell training for TDs in XSI you'd think if I had any interest outside helping my peers I would encourage people to do just that and buy my shit instead of telling them to look elsewhere, don't you? I have not ONCE treated you as imbeciles or said you should migrate and that you don't know in the industry, where the hell you got that I have no idea, you seem to simply decide to take everything personally and aggressively, apparently from well before I even ever addressed you or your comments. Don't make it a me vs whatever the hell you think your "us" is. As for the LEGO movie, seriously, how the hell is that MY success or has changed one bit my behaviour? I just did RnD work on components, maths, pipe and auxiliary tool, didn't even supe it. You are being extremely insulting and assuming right there. If I -ever- even mentioned it it's because everybody and their dog keeps mentioning it like it was an all XSI production, and it's therefore become a completely mis-placed flag for "the rebellion". Dude, you seriously need to chill and stop making wild accusations. As for who you insulted personally, pretty much every single AD employee who ever posted, regardles of what they were saying or doing or whether you even knew who the hell they were (some of them were on our side... WERE). I explained why I find posts like yours disruptive and poisoning, and your reply is an ad hominem where you accuse me of calling Paul stupid? Come on, if ever there was a "point in case" moment. As for what I have done for the people here, I'm doing my best to remain reasonable and give advice dispassionately. You see it as me betraying the cause, I'm sure, but I see it as trying to help. I also got Brad Peebler in touch with the list, contacted and started initiatives in other regards I can't discuss publicly, and I refrained from telling sources of information key to this list to crawl under a rock. I reckon I'm coming out on top insofar. What have you EVER done, if I may ask? Have a great day. On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Emilio Hernandez <emi...@e-roja.com<mailto:emi...@e-roja.com>> wrote: Thx Dave that was the point. To bring a little humor in a non personal or direct way. But for some high heels people it is an insult. @Raffaele Again with all my respect. And now that you brought this to a more personal level. Tell me who I have insulted in this list according to you. Less to say, I have seen really unprofessional post of the high gurus around here. You are the one jumping everywhere you can, playing your Zeuz of the list role. At first, you treated us like imbeciles that have nothing to do with "the industry" telling us to migrate. You even went on Alok telling him, in your great elloquent writing that he was a stupid for start developing tools for Softimage for free. Super constructive coming from you... Then Paul Smith came in telling that he is opening a new studio based on Softimage and again with your high quality prose, you told Paul, who really has created the most extensive free Softimage tutorials on line library, that he was another stupid for founding a new studio on a death software. Then you seemed to be defending Autodesk and jumping in every post you could saying that Softimage was old technology and that we were blind, fanatics and stupids for continue to use a death software and that we were doomed. Now you are bashing again aginst Maya. You tried to show off when I posted the figures of the industry estimates, bringing other industries abroad that were no related and that you have no knowledge other than Google. Like the patents post, that you quicky covered yourself by replying immediatly that you have no idea. You even terrorized Luc Eric with your laberynthic response that confused him, and finally he even apologized of thinking he was replying at something else. You come at anyone you feel you can step on, because of your superknowledge of "the industry" and your beautiful prose. I don't need to show my credentials, neither tell you since when I added to this list. Or what contribuitions I have made or not, as I rather prefer to keep a low profile when I help people intstead of inflating my chest, and yell it to the corners of the world. Yes, I have been sarcastic about Autodesk and their innovations and techology as many of us. But at least I have been straight since this Autodesk mayhem happened, that maybe for you at the comfort of your chair and behind your big desk, the rest are a bunch of fanatics ready to burn Autodesk's headquarters. But outside your big studio paraphernalia is a whole world of artists that struggle and battle in other fields. A world that from what I've been reading from your tons of latest posts, you don't know nothing. So if you don't like my posts, stop jumping in with your high heels. Indeed Jordi and others are doing what they believe. The Houdini guide he offered is an amazing one, and I already started reading. What have you done? Nothing but tell the rest that we are a bunch of fanatics with the XSI logo tatooed on our butts. Drop our tool, and move on. So don't fill your mouth with other people names. As you have contributed as well as the rest of us to the actual state of this list. As you are migrating or already did from this old technolgy I don't understand why you are still here bulling anyone that you feel he is inferior or a junior. I am staying because I will keep continue to use Softimage until I find something better. Which I doubt. Seems that the LEGO success overcame you and forgot that the name of the movie is LEGO, not EGO. Funny you don't remember me, as I remember you when you were a simple nice guy. I,ll be looking forward for you contribiutions like the one from Mr. Bares. Cheers and have a good day at mount Olimpus where everything is wonderful. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- Rares Halmagean ___________________________________ visual development and 3d character & content creation. rarebrush.com<http://rarebrush.com/>
