It would be purely speculative to comment about Animal Logic's pipeline. So I won't.
I can see what your saying about people using Softimage probably appreciate something like USD more than users of other packages but the desire to work this way has been around for a while. We have had slice of this with Softimage a lot longer than most, we also had better render passes then everyone else for probably a decade. Maybe links are being made but just not as deep as you think. People have wanted something like USD for many years, I think you see people embracing it because they needed it so bad. I did work at Omation, I honestly am a little fuzzy about the details but I used (and tested) Helge, Adam, and Mike's work on 'metascene'. But it wasn't that similar to USD and it kinda solved some issues which were unique to Softimage at the time. Which then Helge went to work at Avid and helped address with the 6.0 referencing rewrite. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 AM Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > And now that I have the right Steve, I believe you worked at Omation > during the period of the Spider-man reboots (and Barnyard) so any other > nuggets would be appreciated. :) > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:23, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Steve, do you think that having a familiarity with the way that >> namespaces working inside of Softimage Models (not just Reference Models) >> provides an advantage for those looking to utilise USD in their pipeline. >> The parallels I was alluding to originally was inspired by a couple of old >> posts by Andy Nicolas and Helge Mathee on the Softimage Blog back in 2005. >> >> 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>> > >> >> The prescience on show from the pair as to the potential of an XML based >> pipeline is impressive, and has many parallels to the USD benefits we see >> realised today (particularly in Helge's post, Andy's provides to technical >> insight without getting into the vision too much). Obviously we're talking >> 2005 here but it feels to me that USD has in part grown from the more >> sophisticated pipelines of the 00's (Helge references the pipeline used on >> the first two Spiderman reboots of the 00's). >> >> Considering that Animal Logic were pretty much a Softimage shop, well >> from 2003 onward (with Houdini for FX) pre Soft's EOL, it's seems more than >> coincidence that they were responsible for the first robust open source USD >> implementation. >> >> Maybe I'm making links were none exist, but I can see a big advantage in >> recruiting technical artists with a Soft background as USD and MaterialX >> gain traction. >> >> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:47, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> My bad, that's exactly who I was thinking of. 🤦 >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:42, Steven Caron <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I am not part of the Arnold team... I work at Quixel now. Maybe you're >>>> thinking of magnificent Stephen Blair? >>>> >>>> *written with my thumbs >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 8:34 AM Jonathan Moore <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steve, have you had any exposure to the Maya plugin version of Animal >>>>> Logic's USD environment? I understand you're part of the Arnold team these >>>>> days, but I wondered if you've been exposed to anything you can talk >>>>> about? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:25, Steven Caron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> USD has an API, can be edited with python, and a human readable >>>>>> format if desired. All huge benefits over 'ref models' >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *written with my thumbs >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 4:25 AM Jonathan Moore < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At a high level USD and the way that referencing was handled in >>>>>>> Softimage through 'Models' has many parallels. I'm interested in any >>>>>>> thoughts and opinions some of you may have having utilised both USD and >>>>>>> Softimage 'Referenced Models'. Even if you haven't used USD in >>>>>>> production >>>>>>> yet I'm interested in any thoughts you may have regarding its possible >>>>>>> benefits and pitfalls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an open question so I won't colour it with my opinions but >>>>>>> any thoughts you might have will be most appreciated as I'm providing >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> background info for a client. >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> Softimage Mailing List. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to >>>>>>> [email protected] with "unsubscribe" in the >>>>>>> subject, and reply to confirm. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ >>>>>> Softimage Mailing List. >>>>>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to >>>>>> [email protected] with "unsubscribe" in the >>>>>> subject, and reply to confirm. >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> Softimage Mailing List. >>>>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] >>>>> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> Softimage Mailing List. >>>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] >>>> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. >>> >>> ------ >>> Softimage Mailing List. >>> To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] >>> with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm. >> >> ------ > Softimage Mailing List. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] > with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.
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