Yiu, > -----Original Message----- > From: softwires-boun...@ietf.org > [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yiu L. Lee > Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:36 AM > To: Brian E Carpenter; Ole Troan > Cc: Softwires; v4tov6transit...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of > Native IPv6across NAT44 CPEs -Proposed 6a44 Specification > > Hi Brian, > > I think this is all relative. I discussed internally about software > download. Their answer to me is "BIG NO". Reason is SP must > run QA tests for > every possible OS/patches combination. Worst is we need to > redo this again > when a new patch/upgrade is released. This is far costly than you can > imagine (way more than the $80 new CPE). In the end, I would > vote for the > dongle based over host based anytime. > > Is dongle more viable option than new CPE? I think this is > the real debate.
But then the dongle/CPE becomes the ball-and-chain that locks the customer into the SP's PA addressing scheme... Fred fred.l.temp...@boeing.com > Cheers, > Yiu > > > On 10/7/10 6:47 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" > <brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ole, > > > >> I really liked the dongle idea by the way. > > > > I'm not convinced. If people are willing to buy such a thing, > > and if you are correct about $80 IPv6-enabled CPEs, I think the > > latter will win. > > > > So the real question for me is whether a $0 dollar download > will beat > > an $80 purchase. Predicting customer bahaviour is hard. > > > > IMHO, we can put both on the market and see what happens. > > > > Regards > > Brian > > > > On 2010-10-08 08:28, Ole Troan wrote: > >> Remi, > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> ISPs that aren't concerned with what their customer would > like to have will > >>> eventually face competition. > >> > >> we are in complete agreement of the end goal. it is just > how we get there... > >> > >>> A key point is that supporting 6a44 is very inexpensive > compared to other > >>> supports they have to envisage. > >>> > >>> Yet, as Yiu says, this still depends on which hosts will > support 6a44. > >>> My personal hope is that we will soon see trials, > including with mobile > >>> phones. > >> > >> issues I have with host tunneling: > >> - how to communicate with native IPv6 nodes on the same network? > >> - how to communicate to another 6a44 host on a different > link in the same > >> home? > >> - do you need non-congruent topology multi-homing policy? > >> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-multihoming-without-nat66-01 > >> how do you distribute that policy when you don't have a > on-link router? > >> - a general unease that now every host is supposed to have a "VPN" > >> connection? > >> how do I configure my own firewall and other network > border policy? > >> > >> how much would a new CPE cost the customer? 80USD? that's > only 5 pints of > >> beer (if bought in Norway.) > >> I really liked the dongle idea by the way. perhaps with a L2TP LAC. > >> > >> cheers, > >> Ole > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
