http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3417





------- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2004-05-25 23:59 -------
>On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 09:18:29AM -0700,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Hmmm, where can I read abount SPF?

>http://spf.pobox.com/

Thanx. It takes some years before this technoglogy became in masses.
My rule works now.

>> I think, DNS requests will be cached effectivly...

>That's not my issue.  "MX" is meant to specify who receives mail for
>given domain/host/etc.  It's now suggested to overload MX to also mean
>who can send mail for give domain/host/etc.

Yes. Like many other rules -  RCVD_IN_*  , DNS_FROM_RFCI_DSN, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM

>Also, if I have several machines, all of which are allowed to send
>mail for my domain, I have to add more 1 record per-domain.  Not only
>is that asking for errors, it's also making the DNS response larger --
>which could mean that it'll have to go TCP instead of UDP, which has a
>huge impact on DNS performance.  With SPF, I only need to add 1 record
>which allows them all.

SPF rules is less effective now, then my rule NO_MX_FOR_FROM.

It shold be only one criteria to reject or commit new rules - Effectifly of 
Rule.

>> >> About 98% of spam flag on this test
>> >> About 50% of ham flag off this test
>> 
>> No! It rule like AWL, like good whitelist - it very effective, may be we 
>> >shold
>> revert flag and assign score<0 (-1.6 for example)

>I must be missing something...   If the rule hits on 98% of spam, but
>also 50% of ham, the rule sucks.  It'll have an S/O ratio of somewhere
>in the 0.6-0.7 range (assuming equal amounts of ham/spam).

According your logic AWL is very sucks.

AWL create scores for example between  -4 and +2
with parameters
auto_learn_threshold_nonspam 1
auto_learn_threshold_spam 13.0
reshold_spam 13.0


it is equivalent to rewritten AWL (+4 to all)

AWL  will create scores between  0 and +6
with parameters
auto_learn_threshold_nonspam 5
auto_learn_threshold_spam 18.0
required_hits 11


AWL generate +4 for many many hams. This rule sucks!

It is your logic.
Why are use AWL? Why AWL implemented in SA?
AWL sucks more than my rule.


>> I think this rule will be in top20 best rules.

>This isn't an anti-spam rule, it's an anti-joejobbing rule, so it's not
>going to be in the top 20 anti-spam rules.

Check it!

>For instance, this rule would allow "bugzilla.spamassassin.org" to
>send mail as "kluge.net" (it's a backup MX for my domain), whereas I
>would consider that a forgery since it's not an outgoing mail server
>for my domain.  With SPF I can clearly specify who I allow sending mail
>using my domain.  The reverse is also true (kluge.net would be allowed
>to send as bugzilla.spamassassin.org...)


My rule NO_MX_FOR_FROM works not because new internet draft.

NO_MX_FOR_FROM works and effective _now_ because originaly most email senders
use only one email account and this account exist on server with MX records and
they send emails though this server.



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