Having a copy of the bounce (DSN) message would be extremely helpful for
diagnosis.  If you can, request that a sample of these be forwarded to
you.

 - Mike

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> Yes, they're all scanned by SA. Unfortunately I don't hear about the prob=
> lem til after the fact and I haven't been able to find anything on the ma=
> illog.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kang , Joseph S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:00 PM
> To: Thomas Deaton; Kang , Joseph S.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> org
> Subject: RE: bouncing
> 
> 
> I'm assuming that USER1, USER2, and USER3 all have their incoming message=
> s scanned by SA.  Correct?  If that is the case, then I guess it really d=
> epends on what the bounce is due to.  Anything in the mail logs to indica=
> te why it bounced? =20
> =20
> -Joe K. =20
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Deaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:57 PM
> To: Kang , Joseph S.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: bouncing
> 
> 
> I don't think the score has anything to do with it since the same message=
>  is sent to USER1, USER2, and USER3.
> USER3 is the only one getting bounced. I have the list server in the whit=
> elist, but sometimes the users send emails,
> like we do here. I've recently added a TO that-user-group with a score of=
>  -200 which should help.=20
> Could it have something to do with her mailbox since she's the only one?
> =20
> thanks
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kang , Joseph S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:53 PM
> To: Thomas Deaton; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: bouncing
> 
> 
> =20
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Deaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:49 PM
> To: Kang , Joseph S.
> Subject: RE: bouncing
> 
> 
> Sorry... I'm using Spamassassin and MailScanner to filter emails.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kang , Joseph S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:47 PM
> To: Thomas Deaton
> Subject: RE: bouncing
> 
> 
> =20
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Deaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 1:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: bouncing
> 
> 
> My director and several other staff members belong to a government users'=
> s group. The group sends emails using a list server and everyone always g=
> ets their mail except for my director. Periodically her messages are boun=
> ced back to ther list server and she is put in an "on hold" status. I do =
> not wish to have any emails bounced back for whatever reason. Can someone=
>  give me a suggestion as to what I should do?
> =20
> thanks
> 
> 
> 
> =20
> 
> Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see any indication of why this relates to Sp=
> amassassin?
> =20
> -Joe K.
> =20
> 
> OK.  So, you're saying that MailScanner is occasionally rejecting message=
> s based on that message's SA score.  Do you have any copies of the offend=
> ing messages?  Another option, assuming you trust the particular list is =
> to WHITELIST_FROM or WHITELIST_FROM_RCVD all messages from that list.
> =20
> Unfortunately, I don't use MailScanner, so I cannot help you with how to =
> go about implementing this specifically.  Though, I'm sure someone on the=
>  list can.
> =20
> HTH.
> =20
> Joe K.
> 
> 
> 
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> <DIV><SPAN class=3D918390619-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
> size=3D2>Yes,=20
> they're all scanned by SA. Unfortunately I don't hear about the problem t=
> il=20
> after the fact and I haven't been able to find anything on the=20
> maillog.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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>   <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DT=
> ahoma=20
>   size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Kang , Joseph S.=20
>   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:00=
> =20
>   PM<BR><B>To:</B> Thomas Deaton; Kang , Joseph S.;=20
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
>   bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000f=
> f size=3D2>I'm=20
>   assuming that USER1, USER2, and USER3 all have their incoming messages =
> scanned=20
>   by SA.&nbsp; Correct?&nbsp; If that is the case, then <SPAN=20
>   class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>=
> I guess it=20
>   really depends on what the bounce is due to.&nbsp; Anything in the mail=
>  logs=20
>   to indicate why it bounced?&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DI=
> V>
>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000f=
> f=20
>   size=3D2><SPAN class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0=
> 000ff=20
>   size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>   <DIV><SPAN class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000f=
> f=20
>   size=3D2><SPAN class=3D600135818-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0=
> 000ff=20
>   size=3D2>-Joe K.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>   <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>   style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>     <DIV></DIV>
>     <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft=
> ><FONT=20
>     face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Tho=
> mas Deaton=20
>     [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 27,=
>  2004=20
>     1:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Kang , Joseph S.;=20
>     [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
>     bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff size=3D2>I=20
>     don't think the score has anything to do with it since the same messa=
> ge is=20
>     sent to USER1, USER2, and USER3.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff=20
>     size=3D2>USER3 is the only one getting bounced. I have the list serve=
> r in the=20
>     whitelist, but sometimes the users send emails,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff=20
>     size=3D2>like we do here. I've recently added a TO that-user-group wi=
> th a=20
>     score of -200 which should help. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff=20
>     size=3D2>Could it have something to do with her mailbox since she's t=
> he only=20
>     one?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff=20
>     size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>     <DIV><SPAN class=3D677575318-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
> 0ff=20
>     size=3D2>thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>     <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>       <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=
> =3DTahoma=20
>       size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Kang , Joseph S=
> =2E=20
>       [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 27, 2004 =
> 2:53=20
>       PM<BR><B>To:</B> Thomas Deaton;=20
>       [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
>       bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>       <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV=
> >
>       <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>       style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
> 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>         <DIV></DIV>
>         <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3D=
> left><FONT=20
>         face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=
>  Thomas=20
>         Deaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursd=
> ay, May=20
>         27, 2004 1:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Kang , Joseph S.<BR><B>Subject:</B=
> > RE:=20
>         bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>         <DIV><SPAN class=3D073554718-27052004><FONT face=3DArial color=3D=
> #0000ff=20
>         size=3D2>Sorry... I'm using Spamassassin and MailScanner to filte=
> r=20
>         emails.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>         <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>           <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
> face=3DTahoma=20
>           size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Kang , Jose=
> ph S.=20
>           [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 27, 2=
> 004=20
>           2:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Thomas Deaton<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:=20
>           bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>           <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;<=
> /DIV>
>           <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
>           style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000=
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>             <DIV></DIV>
>             <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr alig=
> n=3Dleft><FONT=20
>             face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:=
> </B> Thomas=20
>             Deaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Th=
> ursday,=20
>             May 27, 2004 1:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>             [EMAIL PROTECTED]<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
>             bouncing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
>             <DIV><SPAN class=3D591530718-27052004><FONT face=3DArial size=
> =3D2>My=20
>             director and several other staff members belong to a governme=
> nt=20
>             users's group. The group sends emails using a list server and=
> =20
>             everyone always gets their mail except for my director. Perio=
> dically=20
>             her messages are bounced back to ther list server and she is =
> put in=20
>             an "on hold" status. I do not wish to have any emails bounced=
>  back=20
>             for whatever reason. Can someone give me a suggestion as to w=
> hat I=20
>             should do?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>             <DIV><SPAN class=3D591530718-27052004><FONT face=3DArial=20
>             size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>             <DIV><SPAN class=3D591530718-27052004><FONT face=3DArial=20
>             size=3D2>thanks</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>             <P>
>             <DIV><SPAN class=3D078464618-27052004><FONT face=3DArial colo=
> r=3D#0000ff=20
>             size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
>           <DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN class=3D078464618-27052004><FONT face=3DAr=
> ial=20
>           color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Maybe I'm dense, but I don't see any i=
> ndication=20
>           of why this relates to Spamassassin?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN class=3D078464618-27052004><FONT face=3DAr=
> ial=20
>           color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
>           <DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN class=3D078464618-27052004><FONT face=3DAr=
> ial=20
>           color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>-Joe K.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>           <DIV dir=3Dltr><SPAN class=3D078464618-27052004><FONT face=3DAr=
> ial=20
>           color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=
> ></BLOCKQUOTE>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004>OK.&nbsp; So,&nbsp;you're&nbsp;saying th=
> at=20
>       MailScanner is occasionally rejecting messages based on that messag=
> e's SA=20
>       score.&nbsp; Do you have any copies of the offending messages?&nbsp=
> ;=20
>       Another option, assuming you trust the particular list is to=20
>       WHITELIST_FROM or WHITELIST_FROM_RCVD all messages from that=20
>       list.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004>Unfortunately, I don't use MailScanner, =
> so I=20
>       cannot help you with how to go about implementing this specifically=
> =2E&nbsp;=20
>       Though, I'm sure someone on the list can.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004>HTH.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>       <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
>       class=3D646534918-27052004>Joe K.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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