Would the Apache folks get upset if you let the SARE people store their
scripts on spamassassin.apache.org and then just let everyone have at
them? Isn't that the purpose of the Apache mirrors? I would think it
would be fine as long as the SARE rules are released under the Apache
license.
Push is a lot more efficient, but it's also harder to implement on the
client side. I'm not convinced that push optimizes on the scarce
variable.
- dan
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Dan Kohn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<http://www.dankohn.com/> <tel:+1-650-327-2600>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 16:55
To: Gary Smith
Cc: Fred; Chris Santerre; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [RDJ] Is it broken?
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Hey guys --
suggestion: how's about sending out new versions as ZIP files via a
mailing list? ie. turn it from "pull" into "push"?
if you provide a script, it should be possible to automate something
that
users can put into /etc/aliases, then subscribe that address to the "RDJ
list" -- and the updates get auto-installed as they're generated.
It'd also be a handy way to spread the load of HTTP service; each mirror
host has an alias that extracts the files and puts them onto its mirror.
- --j.
Gary Smith writes:
> Damn, didn't know things were going that bad for you guys...
>
> I guess all that talk about letting us help you mirror to reduce the
load was missed somewhere in the stream of emails. Anyways, I have my
scripts set for:
>
> 0 6 * * * /root/cronjobs/mailstats.sh
> 45 5 * * * /etc/mail/spamassassin/my_rules_du_jour.sh
>
> And I'm still getting the error all weekend. Rate limited is broken
guys...
>
> So, yes I can just dump RDJ and copy the files to a central location
daily. It's not a problem. I just think you're going about it in a
complety odd way. Force the wget's to authenticate. Force rate
limiting based on performance and not denial, have a list of active
subscribers that aren't rate limited by IP.
>
> Gary
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Mon 7/19/2004 3:13 PM
> To: Chris Santerre; Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [RDJ] Is it broken?
>
> Gary Smith wrote:
> > Even after the problem has been fixed with RDJ it will just mask the
> > fact that we cannot connect to the server. Basically, we will never
> > know that it failed because no update occured.
>
> True, however, in my cron scripts I am alerted of errors or output
from any
> script which is run. If you check the output of those scripts you
will see
> when things go bad.
>
> I'm a member of SARE and I'm all for the ratelimiter. we spend a
great
> deal of time and effort doing our thing and some admins are
irresponsible
> enough to set updates for once every 2 minutes. We have to protect
> ourselves, if people are going to abuse free services (AND YOU KNOW
THEY
> WILL) those people providing free services need to find ways to keep
> themselves in business or limit the abusers so it doesn't affect the
rest.
>
> This rate limiter is a wake up call for anyone doing more than 1
update per
> day. Even if it is 5 seperate servers behind a proxy. This is free
stuff
> you are abusing, please stop abusing it and re-implement your method
of
> doing things. If you know that each of those 4-5 servers will
download the
> same files each day, wouldn't it be best to download to a central
location
> and then have your servers get it from there? It seems having all
servers
> download straight from us is the lazy approach. (the same lazy
approach
> that causes traffic congestion in all parts of my life), if people car
> pooled more, we would have more room on the roads, if people buy in
bulk,
> you don't have to revisit the same stores so often. If virus writers
used
> IRC more often, they would not have to flood the entire internet with
port
> scans looking for their zombies. In my book (and this is not directly
> towards anyone in specific) this is all due to being lazy. (it's
easier to
> flood internet with packets looking for zombies than to have the
zombies
> phone home?) (it's easier if you jump in your own car and drive
yourself to
> work versus waiting for someone else) We often value ease without
thinking
> of the consequences of our actions. For once, we have the ability to
force
> people to follow our restrictions and I'll fight to keep it in effect
(AS
> SOON AS WE GET THE BUGS WORKED OUT).
>
> RDJ to an central storage, then you could even have your servers run
RDJ on
> that location to check for updates.
>
> The problem was a few people made such bad mistakes that we have to
make
> changes which affect everyone. We don't like putting limits on things
like
> this and if it wasn't to protect our own butts we would not have done
it.
>
> SARE is run by donation from people and businesses combined. We have
a
> business that donated a shell account and bandwidth. If we abuse the
free
> donation, we'll be looking for a new home. If people setup mirrors,
then
> everyone can hammer the mirrors all they want, as long as it doesn't
> threaten our very existance.
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