>But what's to be done about those ISPs who "Do Not wish to be contacted"
>Does that mean they're not even willing or interested in getting
>the reports??? -- that they won't act on them anyway???
I work for an ISP, just recently got involved on the spam end of things. We
rarely have spam flow through our servers, but when I get my first report
from someone who has sent spam from our servers, or our connections you
better believe his account is axed. It's a waste of our resources and time.
Why an ISP wouldn't want to act on them, I have no Idea? When Spamcop says
that they don't want to be contacted that is one thing, but what about the
100's of people who don't use Spamcop, just does a whois and floods them
with complaints, they would eventually get tired of hearing about it,
wouldn't they?
"Fred Showker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Julian said:
>
> > The owner of the domain name will usually be the spammer.
> > The owner of the IP address will usually be the hosting company.
> > If the web page has no DNS, then there is nobody to report to.
> >
> > The purpose of reporting isn't to annoy the spammer. It is to
> > inform the spammer's provider, who will hopefully pull his
> > connectivity and therefore deprive the spammer of income from
> > that spam run.
> > Again, if the website is already gone, there's really not
> > much more to do.
>
> That's the spirit. And a solid starting place.
>
> But what's to be done about those ISPs who "Do Not wish to be contacted"
>
> Does that mean they're not even willing or interested in getting
> the reports??? -- that they won't act on them anyway???
>
> Does that mean I'm wasting my time, copying and pasting 30 to 50 spams
> into the SpamCop each morning????
>
> Getting the account turned off ISN'T ENOUGH. They've already established
> 8 more accounts BEFORE the initial spam even hits my mail box.
>
> I've been calling and following up on many of the really persistent
> spam providers... they don't seem to care -- in fact, they seem to
> take relish in the fact that they're such a pain in the ass.
>
> You've ALL seen the spam from the guy called "List Source"
> who lists four domains and says:
>
> "( if one site is down please try the others )
> "( we remove some sites so we don't oversell )
>
> http://www.12mb.com/rightone/
> http://homex.coolconnect.com/member3/rightone/
> http://www.megspace.com/business/rightone/
> http://www.bgt5.com/members/rightone/
> http://www.powow.com/rightone/
>
> I've gotten 30 of them since January.
>
> I've called the guy at Megspace.com ... they're in Florida, and
> easily reachable.
>
> He shrugs his shoulders and says there's nothing he can do about
> this spammer. But he knows he's lying.
>
> I get his apologies, and announcement that the spammer is turned OFF
> in the same mail with the spammer's next spam listing the Megspace.com
> web page AGAIN.
>
> It's almost laughable. And if you follow the links, and forms
> results on that guy's site, you see it goes to an email address
> in the United Kingdom. I've called THAT guy too. He's proud to
> report they're making a killing off that spam, and they wouldn't
> change it for nothing.
>
> He wrote me nasty email for trying to get him shut down.
> Which I was unable to do.
>
> I've reported them both to the FBI and the IRS for U.S. Tax Evasion.
> The other address is in the US -- and EXCITE.com address, but
> I need a subpoena to get the contact. Hopefully the IRS will put
> the clamps on him.
>
> I had my meeting yesterday with Congress, and they seemed to realize
> the damage it's doing. But they also seem helpless and clueless as
> to what really to do about it.
>
> If Bill #718 is finally ratified this year, it will be a CLASS 1
> Misdemeanor on the State Level, and a Felony on the Federal level
> to falsify any part of the email header, or domain name.
> That means fines and possible imprisonment.
>
> I get this sick feeling in my gut that even that won't deter
> this spam scum. Nothing will happen until the public awareness
> has been raised to the point of action, and people like you and
> me start taking action against the advertisers themselves.
>
> Each $99 spam list he sells results in 350,000 new spams sent.
> Spammers send an average of at least three spams each 'rollout' --
> that's 1,050,000 spams. If the low life sells the list a dozen
> times he's made $1,200 bucks. But what did it cost US?
>
> That's 12,600,000 spams. If only 1% of those report the
> spam to SpamCop tomorrow, that's one-hundred-twenty-six-thousand
> emails pasted into SpamCop. It it takes just one second to move
> and delete each individual spam email, based on YOUR time being
> worth $10 per hour -- that's $ 2,121,000.00 (US Dollars) that the
> low-life has STOLEN from the public -- not including bandwidth.
> If each single spam takes 30 seconds in its life in your email
> client, that's a total of 105,000 HOURS of online time. Just
> imagine keeping your computer and modem occupied for 105,000 HOURS...
> TWELVE YEARS. Are you doing anyting for the next 12 years?
>
> The sad part is that before that EVEN HAPPENS, he's already
> cranked up the next mailing.
>
> The total 'hit' based on an agerage of 8K per email is 1,009,008,000
> or over a billion K of throughput. No wonder everyone's crying out
> for DSL and "faster" access. The whole system is slowly grinding to
> a halt because of unnecessary junk mail.
>
> Sorry for the rant... but I certainly wish someone would come up
> with something that will even show the slightest ray of hope
> in putting even a small dent in the tsuami of spam.
>
> Sorry for the rant.
>
> It's 7:05 AM, and I started filtering my mail boxes
> and reporting spam at 4:30 AM this morning. Two and
> a half hours of getting steamed over spam -- the same
> ones -- over and over and over again.
>
> So, that's it for today.
>
> Fred Showker
>
>
>
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