Ed,
The main problem with SiteMinder is that it doesn't work reliably. One day
you will be able to create policies and restrict access, and the next day.
Actually, it's usually something like you go to a page you don't have access
to and can't get in. You refresh the browser and you can. Try refreshing
again and maybe this time you can't get in again. This whole time no
variables have changed and obviously the code hasn't changed. The system
just doesn't work.
On top of that it's really slow, especially when doing anything with
policies. And it's not like the processor will get hit too hard. It'll just
take a long time. There are ways to improve performance with Spectra
security, but I haven't yet heard of anyone who is confident that security
is working correctly and won't produce odd results.
With Custom Security, the reliability issue is handled. In all the testing
I've done, if you're locked out of an area, you won't get access to it, no
matter how many times you try refreshing your browser. Working with policies
is no slower than it takes to run a very simple select statement. One of the
main advantages of Custom Security is that it was designed without any
additional parts that Spectra doesn't need, therefore there's a lot less to
go wrong.
I'm sure you can get plenty of SiteMinder horror stories from this list, as
there are many out there. Custom Security is an alternative that's already
built and uses the same API as Spectra, so you can use all your Spectra
references when working with Custom Security.
HTH,
Jason
----
Jason Aden
Allaire Certified Developer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.wwstudios.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed McLaughlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:57 PM
> To: Spectra-Talk
> Subject: RE: Spectra without Siteminder
>
>
> This thread seems to have generated a lot of interest which can
> only lead me
> to believe that there's a lot of disinterest in using Site Minder. Can
> someone give me a quick synopsis of the problems they've run into
> with Site
> Minder and what these new scripts offer that Site Minder doesn't?
>
> Ed
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Aden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:42 PM
> To: Spectra-Talk
> Subject: RE: Spectra without Siteminder
>
>
> Wayne,
>
> Yep. Just for fun, I've installed Spectra on a machine with CF Pro and
> everything works fine (the Spectra CD installation complains about
> SiteMinder services not being there, but it doesn't affect the final
> install).
>
> On the machines running Custom Security, I disable the SiteMinder service
> and set it to Manual so it never comes on.
>
> Jason
>
> ----
> Jason Aden
> Director of Quality and Standards
> Allaire Certified Developer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.wwstudios.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Gomes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:08 PM
> > To: Spectra-Talk
> > Subject: Re: Spectra without Siteminder
> >
> >
> > Jason:
> >
> > Does this mean you have advanced security for the CF server disabled?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lanny R. Udey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Spectra-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:58 AM
> > Subject: RE: Spectra without Siteminder
> >
> >
> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > Thanks. Do you plan to create, or have, any scripts for converting
> > existing policy stores and other siteminder tables for existing sites to
> > your format?
> > >
> > > I assume when Macromedia come out with a solution, that they
> > will provide
> > scripts to convert from siteminder to whatever they adopt. If
> we went with
> > your tool then we would also have to have scripts to go back to
> > Allaires new
> > model later presumably.
> > >
> > > Have you done any comparative benchmarks - say on object security??
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Lanny Udey
> > > Hofstra University
> > >
> > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, April 12, 2001 >>>
> > > No, this is not what's going to be worked into CF 5.0. It does
> > seem to run
> > > much faster though, and works reliably.
> > >
> > > It uses all the Spectra tags, but the back-end of those tags has been
> > > rewritten. This way your code will not have to be rewritten
> when Allaire
> > > fixes Spectra security.
> > >
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Jason Aden
> > > Allaire Certified Developer
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > www.wwstudios.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Lanny R. Udey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:50 PM
> > > > To: Spectra-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: Spectra without Siteminder
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Is this the product that I hear is going to be part of the final
> > > > release of CF 5 ?
> > > >
> > > > I assume that object security is much faster? :-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Lanny Udey
> > > > Hofstra University
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thursday, April 12, 2001 >>>
> > > > I entered data into the DevExchange last night about a way to run
> > Spectra
> > > > without using Siteminder for security. That entry just points
> > to a page
> > on
> > > > our site so I figured I'd just provide the link here.
> > > >
> > > > All the data about this is on the site -- including a white
> > paper -- so
> > I
> > > > won't repeat it here, but we're interested in any feedback you might
> > have
> > > > about it. There's some issues with it, but the bottom line
> is that we
> > run
> > > > Spectra code and the Webtop with SiteMinder turned off.
> > Here's the link:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.wwstudios.com/index_wws.cfm/286/
> > > >
> > > > David Aden
> > > > Webworld Studios, Inc.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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