Hey -- Jason, you said that I should learn the ROUx method... so you recommend 
just going to http://grrroux.free.fr/method/Intro.html and learning the method 
there?
   
  I am just getting to the point where I can solve the cube consistently 
without having to look at any references (thanks to the help provided by many 
of you who have answered my questions in the past few days). My method is:

-Solve first 2 layers
  -Solve the cross of the bottom layer
  -Get the LL corners in the right place
  -Get the LL corners rotated correctly
  -Switch any incorrect corners
   
  I am starting to get pretty good at this, but I know there is little I can do 
besides getting faster with my algorithms and cutting down time doing the first 
layer. I can do it in about 4 minutes usually, but I want to start learning 
more advanced methods.
   
  I'm not looking to be the best cuber ever or anything, but I would like to at 
least get my average down to 90 seconds or 2 minutes.
   
  What are the most common methods that you guys use, how difficult are they to 
learn and use, and how fast are they?
   
  thanks!!
   
  -David

kovacic81 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  -

Sorry about the Notation.   I forget that beginners don't know the
Notation.  

SOmeone posted earlier to look on Gilles ROux page under beginner's
method.  David, your case is the 2nd example, so it's perfect.  I
don't know how you solve the cube, but I dont suggest learning the
beginners method posted there.  Just learn the ROUx method. Very
little to memorize...

M'U M'U M' U2  M U M U M U2 (M' is pushing, M is pulling)

Jason Kovacic
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Look under beginners method for your case
and under 'my method' for how to cube
and under intro for notation
http://grrroux.free.fr/










-- In [email protected], "Mike Bennett"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], David Pritts
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hey -- I'm having trouble interpretting Jason's notation; can
> someone tell me what Jason means when he writes:
> > 
> > (M'U)3 U (MU)3 U 
> >    
> >   and
> >    
> >   (FR'F'R)(L'U)(RU'M')
> > Then Permute with R2 d'(M'U2M) d'L2
> >    
> >   Does the first one mean M'U three times in the same spot, then U,
> then MU 3 times in the same spot, then U?
> >    
> >   The second one makes sense except I don't understand the logic
> behind the grouping with parantheese... and why is d' in lowercase? 
> >    
> >   Thanks!
> >    
> >   David
> 
> M refers to the column between L and R.  M turns similarly to L, and
> M' is like an R.
> 
> Grouping with parentheses helps to denote which moves should be done
> together, either to demonstrate the effects of certain chunks, or for
> ease of performing the moves themselves.
> 
> The d' was lowercase because it means the two layers below U. 
> Lowercase letters generally refer to double layer turns.
> 
> Also, Jason, why don't you perform that ELL as (rUR')(U'M)(URU'R')? 
> It only uses RUM moves and is super fast.  The inverse is great, too:
> (RUR'U)(M'U)(RU'r')
> 
> -Mike
>






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