Yeah, I agree with you mike, CMLL isn't everything. I broke the 25avg
barrier by just optimising how I did my F2B. Now I'm after sub-20 :) I
find that CMLL sometimes slows me down, as I know 60% of it, but I'm
not 'fluent' with every case I know yet.

I think the F2B is the most important part, then comes LSEC and then
CMLL :) Well, that in ordedr of how much I think I could improve each
bit :)

Thanks, Thom.

--- In [email protected], "Mike Bennett"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "kovacic81"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> > 
> > Although it isn't a staggering figure, it is my first sub 25 avg with
> > ROUX.  
> > 
> > (19.97), 24.64, 20.55, 22.49, 24.03, (31.84), 28.37, 25.84, 24.72,
> > 25.87, 25.92, 26.79                  AVG 24.92
> > 
> > I still use a 2 step process for Corners.  Once i learn CLL, these
> > times will drop substantially.
> > 
> > Jason k
> 
> Way to go, Jason!  It's good to see someone having success with
> something that isn't Fridrich.  I've been working more on my variation
> for step 4 where you first place DB as you orient edges, and then
> permute the L5E.  So far, it's very much like learning ZB.  Right now,
> my average with pure Roux is around 20, but my normal average this way
> is about 22.  My best times are 15.0x this way (non lucky), though, so
> it has very good spike times.  I expect this number to grow
> substantially once I learn more algs.
> 
> One strategy I'm experimenting with that could be useful to you (or
> other Roux solvers) is learning both COLL and CLL.  This would allow
> you O6E skips twice as often, and give you the three edges orientation
> for the majority of the rest of solves.
> 
> Also, I've been trying to recognize the orientation before the end of
> step 2.  If you save either the DL or DR edge piece for last, you can
> use it to help influence orientation to your liking.  If you have a
> corner edge pair for last, you can use those too, with some intuitive
> ZBF2L.  This is a little harder, but will be more useful in the end.
> 
> That said, learning one step algs for corners is going to help your
> times, but not all that much.  The F2B and L6E steps are much more
> important.  You can get very good times still using only two step algs
> for the corners.
> 
> Learning to use unconstrained centers and the special cases for step 4
> will probably get you farther in the end than CLL.  I say in the end
> because those are probably going to take a long time to get used to,
> but they will be worth it.
> 
> Keep up the good work, and keep us posted!
> 
> -Mike
>









 
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