Yes Rune. I have not forgotten Stefan Poachmann. He is one of the greats.He is the pioneer of P/A/O method. I did not mention his name just because he is already using the system and very often explaining it to others. He is not using rote memory. That is why he(only one) solved Megaminx blindfolded, FOUR 3*3*3 cubes BLD. I don't think it is possible with rote memory. I am sorry, if it hurts you. John Louis
Rune Wesström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What is P/A/O technique? (And maybe you shouldn´t forget mr Pochmann). R ----- Original Message ----- From: "JohnLouis Louis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Natural memorisation You are perfectly correct Joel, in my opinion. I like to clarify one more point here. First of all, it is only a beginning. To focus your attention in the initial period of learning to memorise a cube you are transforming the information. With more practice, slowly you will be able to focus your attention when you are memorising without transforming the information. Only experience will tell you that. I think some of you like Leyan, Tyson, Macky, David Orser, Jean Pons and Chris Hardwick are all able to focus their attention and able to memorise without transforming and more importantly able to retain those ABSTRACT, INTANGIBLE information until they complete solving the cube. If you have already reached that stage, that is good. Still I strongly believe, once you master the P/A/O technique, it will be faster than the rote memorising. Secondly, By applying P/A/O method combined with a journey, you can memorise any number of cubes and solve them blindfolded. I don't think it is possible by rote memory or atleast P/A/O method will be faster than rote memory. Has anyone using rote memory to memorise the cube, tried multi-cubes blindfolded except David Orser ? I don't know which memorisation technique David used for his 10 cubes BLD. John Louis Joël van Noort <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Ryan, That is very good important question! I while ago, I have been trying to memorise the corners of the cube visually, and that seemed to work fine... I always thought that making up big stories and images in your head was something for people that can't memorise very well. :). But now I found out that people that memorise a deck of cards in under a minute also use techniques like this, and it doesn't have to mean you are wasting time at all... So how can that work? Why is it interesting to transform the information into a story with things that don't have anything to do with cubing? Well, as for the method I am trying to learn now, (person, action and object method): when you are memorising, you are memorising things that the human brain is used to. All your life, you have been storing memories with people that you know well, that are doing things. That's just what your brain can automatically do. Storing images of people doing things in you head is more 'natural' ;) for the brain to deal with than a bunch of positions on a cube. That's why I think it will be feasable to use this system. (John Louis, am I right?). - Joël. --- In [email protected], Ryan Heise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been reading the various threads about memorisation, and have to > wonder what is appealing about translating information from one domain > into a completely unrelated domain in order to memorise it. > > We have discussed memorising a cube using numbers, sentences and cards. > Why not memorise the direct visual imagery that we get by looking at the > cube? With training it should be possible to form memory associations > based on the spatial relativity of same-coloured facelets, and observe > shape outlines formed by these sets of facelets. This is how our brains > are natively wired to perform visual analysis, anyway. > > By the way, a sequence of 4 random chords (4 notes each) constrained to > a range of just 2 octaves, contains more data than a single random cube > position (if you only care about the data that allows you to solve the > cube). If you can see visual patterns to the same extent that musicians > hear auditory patterns, then a single random cube shouldn't take more > than a few seconds to memorise. > > Ryan > SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "speedsolvingrubikscube" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Jigsaw puzzle game Free puzzle inlay games Educational game and puzzle Word puzzle game Kid puzzle game Puzzle games --------------------------------- YAHOO! 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