Hi Peter,
There are some mix between SIDs and labels in your text. Some comments inline -----Original Message----- From: Peter Psenak [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 10:43 To: LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF; Eric C Rosen; Pushpasis Sarkar; SPRING WG Subject: Re: [spring] SRGBs, indexes, and topologies within a domain Hi Stephane, On 8/26/15 09:46 , [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Yes I need to allocate a new SRGB, but my index space will be contiguous and > I will be able to use the index 51 in each scope. configuration wise same can be achieved with the offsets - think of it as an internal SRGB local to the box. The only difference is what is advertised. 1. per topology SRGB 4 SRGBs: 100-149 topology 1 150-199 topology 2 200-249 topology 1 250-299 topology 2 prefix51, topology 1 - SID index 51 -> SID 200 prefix51, topology 2 - SID index 51 -> SID 250 [SLI] I would more think about : prefix51, topology 1 - SID index 51 -> label 200 ; prefix51, topology 2 - SID index 51 -> label 250 What is advertised: 4 SRGBs (as above), prefix51 SID index 51 [SLI] Agree ----------- 2. Per topology offset SRGB 100-299 4 offsets (local to the box): 0-49 topology 1 50-99 topology 2 100-149 topology 1 150-199 topology 2 prefix51, topology 1 - SID index 51 -> SID 200 prefix51, topology 2 - SID index 51 -> SID 250 [SLI] In this case that's no more an offset, it's more a range of indexes mapped to others. It's different from Les's proposal " srgb offset topology 1 1000" which is just a simple "ADD" operation. You are creating some indirection table (like for virtual memory management). It works, but adds some complexity to manage those indirections. And so there will be two levels of indirection Virtual index table for topology#1 Real index table Label range [0-49] [0-49] [100-149] [50-99] [100-149] [200-249] Virtual index table for topology#2 Real index table Label range [0-49] [50-99] [150-199] [50-99] [150-199] [249-299] Well, managing one level of indirection is already a boring thing from an operational point of view, adding such complex mapping would not ease it. When you need to troubleshoot label values (some platforms still have programming issues unfortunately ...), it complexifies ... What is advertised: 1 SRGB (as above), 2 prefix SIDs - 101, 151 thanks, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Psenak [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 09:28 > To: LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF; Eric C Rosen; Pushpasis Sarkar; > SPRING WG > Subject: Re: [spring] SRGBs, indexes, and topologies within a domain > > Hi Stephane, > > On 8/26/15 01:28 , > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> >> As I already pointed to Les, using an offset creates some holes in index >> space that we need to manage when extending a block. >> >> Let's say that we have SRGB [100-199] (to simplify) and you divide your >> block in two so you will have topology #1 using [100-149] and topology #2 >> using [150-199] using an offset of 50. >> Now I need to add a 51th node in my network, I cannot use index 51 because >> it will overlap with topology#2 :(, so I will need to skip indexes from 51 >> to 100, and restarts my numbering with index 101. This management of holes >> is not automated. > > how is this different to the case where you have two per topology SRGBs of > 100-149 and 150-199 and now you need 51st SID? It is exactly the same > problem. You need to allocate a new SRGB. > > thanks, > Peter > >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Stephane >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Psenak [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 13:18 >> To: LITKOWSKI Stephane SCE/IBNF; Eric C Rosen; Pushpasis Sarkar; >> SPRING WG >> Subject: Re: [spring] SRGBs, indexes, and topologies within a domain >> >> Hi Stephane, >> >> On 8/25/15 12:58 , >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>>>> 1. If a new topology is added by use of the MT features of an IGP, >>>>> then a new set of prefix-SIDs must be provisioned. This seems >>>>> like a major provisioning task. The alternative would be to have >>>>> an SRGB per topology; then when you add a new topology, you only >>>>> have one quantity to provision (or one per platform perhaps). I >>>>> hear some hand-waving about how easy it is to provision new >>>>> prefix-SIDs for every new topology, but ... >>> >>>> I will keep repeating myself that such provisioning can be made automatic, >>>> so the above point is not really convincing to me. >>> >>> Could you explain how ? Based on past discussions, it does not seem to be >>> so easy. >> >> simply by associating an offset and size from SRGP on a per topology basis. >> >> Example: >> >> SRGB 1600-24000 >> >> I would assume that when you start to assign your SIDs for the default >> topology, you would not pick random values, but start from the beginning. So >> let' assume you are using 16001 to 16500 for nodes in default topology. >> >> Now you need to add a new topology. You configure and offset of 2k for it, >> so the advertised SIDs for the new topology would start from 18001. >> If we assume that the 2k would be a reasonable size for each topology you >> can have 4 topologies with 2k SIDs per topology. >> >> If for whatever reason you run out of the SID space in any topology, you can >> configure another offset for those SIDs which do not fit into the existing >> range for such topology. >> >> All of the above is internal to the node and no per topology SRGB >> advertisement is required. You advertise unique SID on a per prefix and per >> topology basis, but you do not need to configure each SID manually. >> Al you need to configure is the single prefix SID and per topology >> offset/size. It gives you the same simplicity for configuration as per >> topology SRGB, but without the need to advertise SRGB per topology. >> >> thanks, >> Peter >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Stephane >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>> _ _ ___________________________________________________ >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations >>> confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre >>> diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu >>> ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire >>> ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles >>> d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete >>> altere, deforme ou falsifie. 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