Let me introduce a far more juicy case. It happened in a medical center in 2005:
A fire started in the 4th floor of 15 floors building. The source was in the plenum space where no detectors and no sprinklers existed. The fire got below the ceiling and was controlled by the sprinklers below the ceiling. The fire department went in and extinguished the fire. The building main sprinkler valve was turned off and the firemen left. The water seeped into the third floor where the electrical system was energized. A new fire was started, this time with the sprinklers off. The heavy smoke got into the fresh air ducts that had dampers initiated thermally. The heat was not high enough to fuse the thermal links and they did not close, The smoke migrated into the 7th floor where operation rooms where located. I think that the insurers paid $ 8 MM. Dan Dan Arbel Risk Eng T: +972 (04) 8243337 F: +972 (04) 8243278 M: +972 (052) 2810593 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: ג 30 ינואר 2007 07:16 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire- Happened in Red Bank Not so long ago after extensive renovation of an apartment in a high rise building a hardwood flooring worker decided to hang his drop light off the frame of a sidewall sprinkler head. I'm sure just about everyone has figured out what happened next. While the worker ran for cover, the fire pump started, waterflows operated and the fire department dispatched. After 20 minutes of steady discharge the water will find every unsealed crack and opening, no matter how small. While not a torrent as often described, the event did none the less involve the removal and replacement of ceilings, floors, carpets, walls, etc including water vacuuming and drying. These things happen, and that's why contractors, building owners and tenants carry insurance. Drywallers, Demo Contractors and Framers hit water pipes all the time, we don't see people removing water lines do we ?, sprinklers just get more press because of the "emergency" response. With the proper explanation the public understands that accidents happen and that the life safety benefits of sprinklers far outweigh the occasional unintended discharge. As for my occurrence, we handled the incident professionally and calmly, assisted the property owner, restored the protection and used the PR time to promote sprinklers in the upcoming renovations ! John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official Borough of Red Bank, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Top Myers Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire Good point -- we are involved in loss that this happened with damage to electrical alone of well over $1,000,000. Top Myers Myers Risk Services 961 Pottstown Pike Chester Springs, PA 19425 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://www.myersrisk.com P- 610-321-2415 X219 C- 610-952-0965 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kilavuz Jack - Sydney-MHA Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire Can be a very plausible story: Our new generation of performance-based building codes allow alternative solutions, this is at least valid UK, Australia, New Zealand. A frequent cost-saving solution I see being the elimination of horizontal separation in electrical/service rooms in high-rise, by simply fire-segregating the room from the rest of the floor, so we are left with openings on top of each other for the height of the building. And if you have water coming done from 21st floor service opening, it can hit more than one electrical room (including first floor), short-circuit some and start separate fires and activate sprinklers and keep on flooding the building. Cheers Jack C Kilavuz Risk Engineer - Underwriter Munich Reinsurance Group in Australasia 143 Macquarie Street Sydney NSW 2000 Australia T +61 2 9272 8078 | F +61 2 9272 8133 | M +61 419-898-365 E mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CAUTION: This message is intended only for the named addressee. It is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. By opening any attachment, you agree that the Munich Re Group will not be liable for any loss resulting from viruses or other defects. Any views in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of the Munich Re Group. The Munich Re Group will not be liable for any action taken, or omitted to be taken, in reliance upon the contents of this message -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - work Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire Now let me get this straight. A single sprinkler was set off on the 21st floor and flooded an electrical room and the water "cascaded" down to the 6th floor, where it shorted out a panel and set off a second sprinkler, then the combined water from two sprinklers flooded a gallery on the first floor, causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage? Wouldn't one sprinkler on the 21st floor and one on the 6th floor have to be operating a long time in order to create the damage claimed? Methinks there is a 'rest of the story'. At 08:51 AM 1/29/2007, you wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C743AC.9FFBF9D4" > > > >How about this headline? > > > >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003544902_dige28m.html > > > >Scott A. Futrell > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum Todd G. 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