Let me introduce a far more juicy case. 

It happened in a medical center in 2005: 

A fire started in the 4th floor of 15 floors building. 

The source was in the plenum space where no detectors and no sprinklers
existed. 

The fire got below the ceiling and was controlled by the sprinklers below
the ceiling. 

The fire department went in and extinguished the fire.   

The building main sprinkler valve was turned off and the firemen left.  

The water seeped into the third floor where the electrical system was
energized. 

A new fire was started, this time with the sprinklers off. 

The heavy smoke got into the fresh air ducts that had dampers initiated
thermally.  

The heat was not high enough to fuse the thermal links and they did not
close,

The smoke migrated into the 7th floor where operation rooms where located. 

I think that the insurers paid $ 8 MM. 

  
Dan



Dan Arbel Risk Eng
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: ג 30 ינואר 2007 07:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire- Happened
in Red Bank


Not so long ago after extensive renovation of an apartment in a high rise
building a hardwood flooring worker decided to hang his drop light off the
frame of a sidewall sprinkler head. I'm sure just about everyone has figured
out what happened next. While the worker ran for cover, the fire pump
started, waterflows operated and the fire department dispatched. After 20
minutes of steady discharge the water will find every unsealed crack and
opening, no matter how small. While not a torrent as often described, the
event did none the less involve the removal and replacement of ceilings,
floors, carpets, walls, etc including water vacuuming and drying.

These things happen, and that's why contractors, building owners and tenants
carry insurance.  Drywallers, Demo Contractors and Framers hit water pipes
all the time, we don't see people removing water lines do we ?, sprinklers
just get more press because of the "emergency" response.  With the proper
explanation the public understands that accidents happen and that the life
safety benefits of sprinklers far outweigh the occasional unintended
discharge.

As for my occurrence, we handled the incident professionally and calmly,
assisted the property owner, restored the protection and used the PR time to
promote sprinklers in the upcoming renovations !

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Borough of Red Bank, NJ

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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:57 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire

Good point -- we are involved in loss that this happened with damage to
electrical alone of well over $1,000,000.

Top Myers
Myers Risk Services
961 Pottstown Pike
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Jack - Sydney-MHA
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 5:46 PM
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Subject: RE: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire

Can be a very plausible story: 

Our new generation of performance-based building codes allow alternative
solutions, this is at least valid UK, Australia, New Zealand. 

A frequent cost-saving solution I see being the elimination of
horizontal separation in electrical/service rooms in high-rise, by
simply fire-segregating the room from the rest of the floor, so we are
left with openings on top of each other for the height of the building.
And if you have water coming done from 21st floor service opening, it
can hit more than one electrical room (including first floor),
short-circuit some and start separate fires and activate sprinklers and
keep on flooding the building. 

Cheers

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Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: sprinkler accident sets off Seattle electrical fire

Now let me get this straight. A single sprinkler was set off on the 21st
floor and flooded an electrical room and the water "cascaded" 
down to the 6th floor, where it shorted out a panel and set off a second
sprinkler, then the combined water from two sprinklers flooded a gallery
on the first floor, causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage?
Wouldn't one sprinkler on the 21st floor and one on the 6th floor have
to be operating a long time in order to create the damage claimed?
Methinks there is a 'rest of the story'.


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