I've been waiting for this thread to end so I could put a last quote to it.
Hopefully that is now.
We were directed to use the "most recent version of NFPA 13. Yes 2007. The
community center building was of type V non rated construction, with single
room loading of more than 300 people. We asked the engineer the following
question.
"Sheet A5.1 wall sections (1) and (5) do not show any drywall attached to
the bottom cord of the TJI's, this creates a concealed combustible space
above the drop ceiling. (NFPA 13, 2007 8.15.22 (Exceptions of 8.15.1.2 are
not met) Is it your intention to meet one of the exceptions, or shall we
provide fire sprinkler protection between the ceiling and the roof joist?
His reply:
"It is our understanding that the concealed combustible space is not
accessible for storage. Therefore, it is our opinion that this area does not
require sprinkling.
This is only one of the 49 questions we asked, with similar responses from
the engineer (P.E.) It seems as I get older I have less tolerance for my own
mistakes, and expect others to care as much as I do about what we do. If
only it were so.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: RE: Grid peaking
I WISH the PE's in this area understood a third of what it takes to
"design"
a sprinkler system instead of producing documents that are incomplete and
laughable. And yes, it ticks us off to see an engineer get paid thousands
of
dollars to provide incorrect information repeatedly while we are relied
upon
to correct it.
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Grid peaking
As they say in the old country, "Oy Vey". So we have to start calling
ID's
"Fixture and Furniture Technicians"? What about "Design/Build"
construction - will those teams not be allowed to utilize anyone but a
licensed engineer or ... what is the certification of a "Designer" again?
I
don't think "Plan-Layout-Build" has the same ring to it. I've been in
this
stupid business for 26 years and I think I know a little bit about
designing
sprinkler systems.
A-holes don't have anything better to do ...
Steve Leyton
Lines and Circles Guy
Certified Sprinkie
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Grid peaking
Engineers do not like Sprinkler Designers calling themselves "Designers."
In
fact, the Engineering community has actually proposed legislation which
would
restrict the usage of that word.
Sprinkler Designers have always been identified as "Designers." But, the
NFSA recently requested their members to refrain from identifying
themselves
as
"Designers" and using the term "Layout Technician" in lieu of it.
Forest Wilson
Cherokee Fire Protection Co
In a message dated 2/25/2007 9:02:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just out of curiosity, what is NICET's restriction on the term designer?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Grid peaking
you haven't heard NICET'S restriction on the term "designer". WE are
SUPPOSE to say layout technician - RIIIIIGHT. What's a cubit?
Roland
On Feb 20, 2007, at 8:05 AM, Vince Sabolik wrote:
At 10:16 AM 2/20/2007, you wrote:
Do Draftsmen exist anymore? Or are they
More appropriately, sprinkler designers"?
Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136
T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email:
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