25 floors of stair tower with firefighters coming up past the walkers with O2 bottles.
Little old ladies breaking down doors with frypans so they can deploy hose streams. Do those cute microphones for the incident command center work well with hearing aids? $30,000 for a 1000 sf apt. Must have included design fees. Is it just me or does this seem like the Twilight Zone? And we were to learn a lesson from the egress at WTC ? glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Schirmer Engineering Not just sprinklering his house, If I remember correctly, during a wintery PreROP meeting in Boston, he discussed his work in getting Sprinklers into the houses built by the Local Habitat for Humanity. Maurice Marvi 800 417 4060 x78020 "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/15/2007 03:27 PM Please respond to [email protected] To <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: Schirmer Engineering I think that's a pretty good summary, Mr. Leyton. Wonder if there are passive protection people that will break bread with these folks at the next TC mtg? My amish neighbors from Lancaster County wouldn't, they call it shunning. Very effecetive, there were even lawsuits filed over the actions- like not selling to them in stores, acting as if they didn't exist. Granted, sometimes it was for following their heart and marrying outside the community, or (gasp) not joining the church when they turned "of age", but in this situation, perhaps its warranted. Wonder why Mr Schirmer sprinklered his house in Hilton Head if sprinklers weren't a necessity for elderly? Couldn't he walk out the door after using a fire hose? glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Schirmer Engineering There is a proper noun-phrase for identifying such tradespeople: "Code Whore". I worked for a real professional one for about 17 months a few years back. It's a wonderful, insular, Orwellian environment, where anyone with money is "earnest" and "visionary", but those who would question the latest fad design or product technology are "backward", "arcane" or "obstructionist". Once you get your brain around the "Pay & Say" approach it's pretty simple, really. If you saw the video for which the link was posted, then you saw a registered FPE, alternate member of the 13 TC, say (and I'm paraphrasing), "I think sprinklers are great and all that, but there's no real benefit in this application." So we have high-rise buildings, more than half of which here in LoCal are occupied primarily by seniors, who are in many cases non-ambulatory or encumbered-ambulatory. What, exactly is the appropriate application for sprinklers? And if this isn't the correct application, why are sprinklers required in new construction? There are so many untruths and twists and turns of the facts in this matter that it's impossible to follow. Truth is fiction, cold is hot and an 80-year old with no formal training is adequately protected because there's a fire hose cabinet outside his apartment connected to who-knows-what. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Schirmer Engineering Terri, If they don't think sprinklers are necessary in existing hi-rise buildings and are willing to say so in a TV interview, I doubt they are "monitoring" the forum. You need to have an interest in learning and staying abreast of your "trade" to be an active part of this forum. It sounds like Roland may have correctly defined their trade in his post yesterday. 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