[And for the local lurkers (several AHJ's) I know that are out there I'm
not
speaking of you.  You are ahead of the curve.]

Some of whom are actually AFSA members as well !

John 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Cahill
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................

Very wrong.  I'd love you or those like you to be AHJ's.  I can compete
on a level playing field.  I can't compete with stupid.  Although there
are many recent days when I wish I was just existing without a clue.
When the AHJ lets others get away without following the code it's not
level and heavily favors those that don't do it right either by choice
or ignorance.  

Sidebar: I finally figured out how to price against a certain competitor
- First I put it together as we normally would knowing costs and past
performance on similar jobs then delete ALL margin on materials, delete
ALL profit and overhead and reduce labor, fabrication and design time by
20%-30%


Then there is the whole public safety aspect of making sure it complies
with code.  We'll have many, many less failures of our systems if it's
done right (and the valve is open).  There is a lot of ugly out there
that is going to someday bite us you know where. What's going to happen
when we start having major losses on a regular basis and a few deaths in
fully sprinklered buildings? The pendulum will swing back towards less
sprinklers and more fire alarms and structural fire protection. The only
way we keep the more
sprinklers is to keep failures to a minimum.     

Now the caveat is follow the code both its good and bad.  Sometimes
those from the design side have a tendency to want more because that's
the way they think it should be done because it's better, they'd do it
that way or whatever. It's hard to leave the design responsibility up to
others when you
are in the AHJ role.   

I can't possibly overstate the need for knowledgeable people on the AHJ
side.

And for the local lurkers (several AHJ's) I know that are out there I'm
not
speaking of you.  You are ahead of the curve.   

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................

After being in FP design/engineering for over 20 years AND operating as
a Sprinkler Contractor, no one would want me as an inspector.  SNIP


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lg.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Drucker
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................

Craig,

Come work with us inspectors. Someone once told me I should write a
book. I replied if I did it would be categorized "fiction" since no one
would believe these things really go on.

The sad part is that there are those that understand the critical nature
of fire protection work and those that treat it otherwise. 

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
New Jersey 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................

I got an e-mail this morning asking about a thrust restraint on an
underground installation.  This is one of those where I wish we could
post pictures because it's almost unbelievable.    

At the end of what looks like a 8" or 10" main there is a metal fence
post driven into the ground.  This is one of those green ones that you
use to string wire between like for a garden or for livestock.  About
3-4 foot behind it, along the pipe run, there's another.  Between the
two it looks like some 12 ga. Solid wire tying them together.  OH,
That'll work!    NOT! 

Ok, we know the installer was definitely not following that
whatchmacallit FPnA code or whatever it is,  but also who approved the
installation?  The bigger question comes to mind of whether the rest of
the system was restrained properly.  Someone does not have an enviable
task ahead of them.

What a way to start the day.  Just unbelievable.


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lg.com

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