The simpler and less expensive solution if the AHJ will accept the 160 Psi
tube, may be to install a booster pump, Two head design, Max 40 Gpm @say
40Psi boost, assumes you have about 50 Psi Static, that's less than 3 Hp.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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From: "Coastal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Thom McMahon" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................
Hello Thom,
Welllllll this afternoon I loooked at a "pre-built" duplex shipped in on
12 trailers to make a 2-unit 3 story building..... ALL piped in
"WIRSBO-PEX-a Tubing"... MAX Pressure of 160PSI @ 73.4 Degrees F. All
piping is 1" size. NOT like in the hydraulic calcs. the manufacturer
supplied. Now to convince the owner the finished walls and ceilings have
to be ripped apart to install a Sprinkler system since the AHJ is going to
require one.
Wednesday, June 6, 2007, 4:22:32 PM, you wrote:
While bailing wire is not a listed hanger, if its 12 ga. it is an
approved
"Restraint"
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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From: "Paul Sincaglia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................
AMEN!!
I wear both hats...An FPE by day and an AHJ part time for my city. The
kind of thing we discuss here is usually the bigger items that when we
catch them are definitely in the "What the hell were they thinking?"
category.
But if you did the day to day inspection work you would be absolutely
stunned at the gross stupidity, ignorance, and/or blatant disregard for
many of the fire regulations.
Sure bailing wire is not a proper pipe hanger...but will probably work
anyway. The file cabinet partially blocking a marked exit door which is
also padlocked is the stuff that gets my boxers in a bunch. As an
inspector I only have so much time and although I will eventually get
them all, I have to spend the majority of my time on the immediately
dangerous to life and health stuff.
Paul Sincaglia, P.E.
Firesafety Solutions, Inc.
And Chagrin Falls Fire Department
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Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................
After being in FP design/engineering for over 20 years AND operating as
a Sprinkler Contractor, no one would want me as an inspector. It used
to make me so mad to see my competitors who got away with things that
were downright ridiculous. Then I knew why they were so cheap. But
what really was surprising was the lack of concern on the part of owners
and some building officials.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Drucker
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................
Craig,
Come work with us inspectors. Someone once told me I should write a
book. I replied if I did it would be categorized "fiction" since no one
would believe these things really go on.
The sad part is that there are those that understand the critical nature
of fire protection work and those that treat it otherwise.
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
New Jersey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Just when you thought you saw it all.....................
I got an e-mail this morning asking about a thrust restraint on an
underground installation. This is one of those where I wish we could
post pictures because it's almost unbelievable.
At the end of what looks like a 8" or 10" main there is a metal fence
post driven into the ground. This is one of those green ones that you
use to string wire between like for a garden or for livestock. About
3-4 foot behind it, along the pipe run, there's another. Between the
two it looks like some 12 ga. Solid wire tying them together. OH,
That'll work! NOT!
Ok, we know the installer was definitely not following that
whatchmacallit FPnA code or whatever it is, but also who approved the
installation? The bigger question comes to mind of whether the rest of
the system was restrained properly. Someone does not have an enviable
task ahead of them.
What a way to start the day. Just unbelievable.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lg.com
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