Travis,

Why does your plumbing code have any jurisdiction once you've split
off to the fire system. What do they do when a backflow device is
required? There aren't any without spring loaded checks? And finall
I've had plenty of AHJs tell me that something is in a code somewhere
and not be able to find that somewhere. We used to have a guy in
Seattle that did that a lot. I don't want to use his real name so
let's just say it was Smith. All these in the code somewhere rules
that can never be found I call Smithisms and can be found unwritten in
the Smith Code. The Smith Code has never been adopted although
regularly referenced. 13D defines a check valve as a valve that allows
water to flow in only one direction. This is the only direct reference
to check valves. 13D also, as you said, does not require any valve to
be listed. I'd be asking for chapter and verse not only about the
prohibition in the plumbing code but also the legislation that makes
the plumbing cofde the governing document relative to sprinkler
installation. In my neck of the woods the building code references
13,13R &13D (as appropriate) as the installation standard(s) for
sprinklers.

On 7/31/07, Travis Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sunny (well actually rainy lately) AZ.  It is using a 13D riser assembly
> from one of the major manufacturer's and the AHJ is saying NO WAY!!!!!!!
> You got me on this one!  I got this relayed from the field superintendant.
> The AHJ states it is in the plumbing code somewhere and he has been trying
> to get the manufacturer's to get it out of the those devices for years.
>
> Again, the reasoning is coming through another person so I don't know
> exactly what the AHJ said, but basically, the riser is being removed and the
> swing check put in.  2 fire inspectors and then the main boss says it has to
> come out and only a swing check is acceptable.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:16 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Check valve in 13D system
>
> Number one, if you have a backflow device you now have two springloaded
> checks in the system. Two, if you use a listed 13D riser assembly from any
> of the major manufacturers they come with spring loaded checks. Three, where
> are spring loaded checks prohibited?
>
> On 7/31/07, Travis Mack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is there any reason why you couldn't use a spring loaded check valve
> > in a 13D system as the system check valve?  We have an AHJ that is
> > requiring a spring loaded check to be removed and a swing check be
> > installed.  I thought the waterflow valves weren't required to be listed
> in a 13D application.
> >
> > Travis
> >
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