Sorry didn't mean to sound antagonistic Ron. What does the A/E do? On the average probably not as much as should or could be done. Biggest problem is education. For many their experience with fire protection is enveloped within the pages of NFPA 13, not much beyond that. So while they may understand the concepts, they lack understanding of the execution. Been there as well. Until you put the pipe in the grooving machine and have the responsibility for snaking that 6" pipe through the 3" space that was left over for your use, it's hard to comprehend the fun most sprinkler contractors endure on a daily basis. So things get overlooked or forgotten just because fire protection is inherently the red-headed stepchild of engineering and construction.
Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Dry System Size Maybe I misread the original question. I thought the poster had said that no location had been specified by the A&E and that he was trying to find one. I was trying to point out that that was the A&E's responsibility, not his. This sounded similar to the post a few weeks ago where half the forumites were arguing that that it was the sprinkler contractor's responsibility to hire a structural engineer to prove that the building would support the system. Once again this belongs to the A&E. A new one here is that proving the building will withstand the seismic forces imposed on the building by the seismic bracing is being put on the sprinkler contractor. I'm beginning to wonder what the A&E does do. Seems the next thing we'll see is not only, "put in a sprinkler system per NFPA 13" as the spec but will also say, attach it to a building somewhere on the owner's property." On 3/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That makes no sense. Of course the valve room is the responsibility > of the A/E, not the sprinkler contractor. If the area isn't heated > and there is a riser there then as the FP contractor you'd let the GC > know of the issue. The FP contractor shouldn't be held responsible > for building rooms or buildings. > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - > 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ch2m.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron > Greenman > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Dry System Size > > > If this building were to have a cafeteria/kitchen but no space was > provided for the cooking line would it be the responsibility of the > appliance supplier to "find" a location for it or would it be an > oversight of the A&E? > Did the A&E not know that there was going to be a sprinkler system? If > not there seems to be some negligence. If so isn't it the A&E to > provide a location? I bet they have a telephone room. I bet they have.... > > > On 3/13/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Doesn't specifically say you HAVE to have one but in order to > > provide heat for a dry valve in an open space it's the only choice. > > NFPA 13, 2007, 7.2.5.2 > > > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection Group > > Mechanical Department > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - > > 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ch2m.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Roland Huggins > > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:16 PM > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: Dry System Size > > > > Here's an interesting twist on this issue. Where does it say that > > you > > > have to have a valve room? > > > > Roland > > > > On Mar 13, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Thom McMahon wrote: > > > > > I have seen the RPZ and dry valves under the first landing of the > > > stairs, then this area is enclosed and heated. Remember your riser > > > is wet and subject to freezing below the clapper of the DPV. Due > > > to the low overhead and access issue's this arrangement would > > > require AHJ approval, if the 1st landing is less than 7'-0" AFF. > > > > > > Thom McMahon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > at home.... > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
