I am sure if you contact the Cobb County Georgia Fire Department they will tell you about a lot of failures particularly when they first started. The local contractors know about the test and check it themselves before they call for an inspection. You guys are very diligent about your calculations etc. but there is a big world of contractors and engineers that are not part of this group who are not as versed in design as you may be. It is a very simple test and it empirically proves that the system design is correct.
Michael L. Brown Manager of Technical Services The Reliable Automatic Sprinkler Company, Inc.' [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.reliablesprinkler.com (864) 843-5228 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Seidl Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:17 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? I've only had one that failed. It turned out that the plumber had installed a 1" line into the building from the meter (2" thru the slab) when we needed a 2" line from the meter. That is the reason for the bucket test, make sure the calc's work. We could all argue quite correctly that it's not necessary but I am very comfortable with doing these test. It just verifies that the whole system (at least the remote area) was installed correctly and will perform as intended. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:12 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? Now that we have some what and where how about the why? Brian's problem would have been discovered by looking at the gauge or main drain, a bucket test wasn't really necessary. Is there some problem with hydraulic calcs? How many actually fail? Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Seidl Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:23 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? Quite a few in the North Carolina and Georgia area. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? This is the first time I've heard it being done for 13R. 13D, yes. But not 13R. Are there other jurisdictions requiring a bucket test for 13R? Tony -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: April 9, 2008 12:01 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? A bucket test / barrel test is when you remove a head(s) in the remote area and fill up a bucket/barrel to see if it is flowing the gpm the is called for in the calc's. In our case with the density and heads we are using that would be 20 gpm, we are getting around 15 gpm. Brian Harris FDFP INC. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: What is a Bucket Test? Perhaps a dumb question, but what is a bucket test and is it conducted the same way in every jurisdiction? Bill Brooks William N. Brooks, P.E. Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. 372 Wilett Drive Severna Park, MD 21146 410-544-3620 Phone 410-544-3032 FAX 412-400-6528 Cell -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Failed Bucket Test From: "Brian Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, April 07, 2008 2:30 pm To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> Fellow forum people: I have a situation where we have designed and installed a 13R system, it is completely finished and wham-o we fail the bucket test! Our system was designed based on the flow test provided by the city fire dept., turns out that a test taken now with the failed test shows a 25% drop in static & residual pressures, hence the failed test. Of course the owner is looking to us to pull a magic rabbit out of our #$% , err I mean hat, we have tried a few different things but with that big of a pressure loss there's really not much we can do. I don't feel it's our liability at this point since we went off the city's water flow test and per the calc's we were good, any thoughts? 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