Yes, asinine. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 9:04 PM, IPA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This whole bucket thing sounds asinine to me... I mean, obviously Brian has > a problem here with the water supply but the bucket test in general doesn't > sound real > practical. Anyone could've looked at the guage and realized their > was a problem without a bunch of people sitting around holding > buckets under open heads. Hydraulic calculations are theoretical in > nature... > This especially doesn't make much sense if ahj's are requiring this for 13d > systems which > can be calculated based upon a static pressure only.... > > > > > On 4/9/08, A.P.Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The system is wet. You make up an assembly that will include a valve and > > orifice. The sprinkler head/s at the test location removed and substituted > > with the assembly. The valve at the outlet is opened and water collected > > in > > a bucket. In essence the test is a verification of the design calculations > > and installation. And I guess the water supply. > > > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: April 9, 2008 5:58 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? > > > > So, you start with the system dry, then open the valve? > > > > Bill Brooks > > > > William N. Brooks, P.E. > > Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. > > 372 Wilett Drive > > Severna Park, MD 21146 > > 410-544-3620 Phone > > 410-544-3032 FAX > > 412-400-6528 Cell > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? > > From: "A.P.Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Wed, April 09, 2008 6:17 pm > > To: [email protected] > > > > It should be same orifice as head. Also same number of heads as in design. > > What will a single 1/2" outlet tell you when you have 4, 7/16" outlets in > > your design area. > > > > At the time bucket tests were starting to be done, residential heads had > > two > > flow requirements. One for single head and another for multiple heads. > > So > > for 13D systems the bucket test was done with a single head flowing and > > also > > for two heads flowing simultaneously. An actual head with the guts broken > > was used at the outlet. At least this is how it is done in my area. > > > > Tony > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IPA > > Sent: April 9, 2008 1:47 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: What is a Bucket Test? > > > > What kind of variance in calcs from actual bucket test results are > > considered acceptable? I'm just curious since taking out the head and > > flowing straight from a 1/2" threaded outlet vs. flowing a 7/16" orifice > > (like a 4.2k sprinkler w/ element removed) could possibly work in your > > favor > > to a small degree but could also work against you depending on what > > k-factor > > of sprinkler you used. > > > > > > In a 13R bucket test do you actually remove more than one sprinkler and > > flow > > up to four? Or is it always just one? Seems like a source calc w/ one > > sprinkler flowing would make more sense if you're only required to bucket > > test one sprinkler... > > > > -B- > > > > > > > > > > On 4/9/08, Todd Williams - FPDC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > If you have a really bad water supply, instead of a pitot you use a > > > 5-gallon bucket and a stop watch. 8-) > > > > > > > > > At 02:19 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > > This is the first time I've heard it being done for 13R. 13D, yes. > > > > But not 13R. Are there other jurisdictions requiring a bucket test > > > > for 13R? > > > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian > > > > Harris > > > > Sent: April 9, 2008 12:01 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: RE: What is a Bucket Test? > > > > > > > > A bucket test / barrel test is when you remove a head(s) in the > > > > remote area and fill up a bucket/barrel to see if it is flowing the > > > > gpm the is called for in the calc's. In our case with the density > > > > and heads we are using that would be 20 gpm, we are getting around > > > > 15 gpm. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Harris > > > > FDFP INC. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:50 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: What is a Bucket Test? > > > > > > > > Perhaps a dumb question, but what is a bucket test and is it > > > > conducted the same way in every jurisdiction? > > > > > > > > Bill Brooks > > > > > > > > William N. Brooks, P.E. > > > > Brooks Fire Protection Engineering Inc. > > > > 372 Wilett Drive > > > > Severna Park, MD 21146 > > > > 410-544-3620 Phone > > > > 410-544-3032 FAX > > > > 412-400-6528 Cell > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: Failed Bucket Test > > > > From: "Brian Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Date: Mon, April 07, 2008 2:30 pm > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Fellow forum people: > > > > I have a situation where we have designed and installed a 13R > > > > system, it is completely finished and wham-o we fail the bucket > > > > test! Our system was designed based on the flow test provided by the > > > > city fire dept., turns out that a test taken now with the failed > > > > test shows a 25% drop in static & residual pressures, hence the > > > > failed test. Of course the owner is looking to us to pull a magic > > > > rabbit out of our #$% , err I mean hat, we have tried a few > > > > different things but with that big of a pressure loss there's really > > > > not much we can do. I don't feel it's our liability at this point > > > > since we went off the city's water flow test and per the calc's we > > > > were good, any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.firstdefensefire.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: > > > > 5.09560 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > > > > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > sprinkler.org> > > > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > > > > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > sprinkler.org> > > > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: > > > > 5.09590 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: > > > > 5.09590 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > > > > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > sprinkler.org> > > > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > > > > > to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > sprinkler.org> > > > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > > > > > Todd G. 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