As the story was told to me, this dates back to the first iron-framed
buildings with brick exterior walls. The buildings were generally
walk-ups (pre-elevator days) so they were up to four stories tall.  The
problem was that the iron would expand in a fire and push outward on the
walls until the brick failed and collapsed.  The 40-foot distance was
considered to be out of reach of the falling brick and would allow the
fire department to shut off the water to conserve water for manual fire
fighting.  

Might be true, might be a campfire story.  

Paul J. Pinigis, P.E.
Chief Life Safety Engineer

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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:43 AM
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Subject: PIV 40ft from Building

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Anyone know the reason WHY PIVs are to be located at least 40 ft. from
the building (on a fire service line piped into the building)?

I have heard some theories - like to keep the valve free from a
collapsing wall.  But I am curious if any of you have any definitive
explanations for that number.  Why not 30 ft.? Why not 50 ft.

We are dealing with an AHJ who is requiring we pipe an underground an
additional 200+ ft. around a corner just so our PIV can be at least 40
ft. from the building.  Otherwise, if we pipe straight out the building,
the public right-of-way is such that we'd be only 31 ft. from the
building with the PIV.  This is not good enough for this gentleman
since, as he says, it is POSSIBLE for you to get it 40 ft. away (with
the 200+ ft. of underground).  If there was no other way, he would have
allowed the 31 ft. separation.
 

Frustrated-in-Fargo, PE
Fire Protection Engineer 
Ulteig Engineers, Inc. 
3350 38th Avenue S. 
Fargo, ND 58104-7079

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