Forest, You are right! That's a change from the recommendations, again as I remember, from the TAG on this issue. Of course the FM is not obligated to follow the recommendations but I'm pretty disappointed. This also occurred twenty years ago when we required a certificate to seal plans. There was a grandfathering then that was supposed to expire after three years. That was amended and so you would only lose your grandfathering if you let your certificate lapse. On the positive side everyone dies and grandfathering eventually goes away. Also, there are provisions in the WAC for fines, suspensions and revocations.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM, George Church <for...@ptd.net> wrote: > Try Marriott brands- they're all sprinklered except a handful of the older > Res Inns. Then you don't need to phone ahead to ask if they've got > sprinklers. > > Good point, tho- non-discriminatory as it gets. And way too pervasive. > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:57 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Residential systems in California - Licensing > > And how many times have I shook my head over what FPEs and PEs and > Contractors and designers and inspectors and plans reviewers and on and on > have put out on the street for bid, for review for construction etc. I've > lost count. > > You can't lump any one group by name into the realm of incompetent. > Incompetence is non-discriminatory. It's everywhere with all kinds of fancy > letters after the name and sadly it seems to be more of the norm now-a-days > than the exception. > > But sometimes people just miss something and make a mistake. So that > becomes an opportunity for education. I don't know anyone who knows > everything there is to know about fire protection. I know a lot of people > who know a lot but not everything. > > And staying a the Holiday Inn Express won't help. Tried it, with limited > results. ;) > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Specialist > Mechanical Department > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > http://www.ch2m.com > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 4:57 AM, George Church <for...@ptd.net> wrote: >> Todd, that depends if the fitter had 5 yrs experience 3x or if he had >> 15 years experience. I'm sure during plan review you've shaken your >> head over what NICET 3's send out. I saw one where the areas outside >> the dwelling unit in #13r were residential- including the mechanical >> room and the owner's archives. That ain't right, but they have the >> signature of a Level 3. And I just got a copy of another competitor's >> dwg with a nice little NICET Seal in the title block, as if this makes >> em a Jr PE or something. Anyone familiar with NICET should know >> decades ago they banned the use of PE-seal lookalikes. Considering >> NICET is located in the NSPE's HQ in Alexandria, that's not a surprise. >> >> Mow if a state actually requires passing a test, well, that's a step >> in the right direction. Grandfathering everyone is like giving >> everyone in High School a diploma if they change the curriculum. They >> were here, so they must be students competent to hold a diploma, >> right? Well, that's the logic of grandfathering everyone. They've been >> hanging pipe for years, so we assume they know how to do it correctly. >> >> glc > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: techsupp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
