Thanks Todd. Well said. When my friend David asked for restraint he had no idea, because until now he didn't know my political bent, how much restraint I was exercising. To paraphrase what our current president said the other night I know everyone here is a American that wants the best for his country and its people no matter what partisan political party he (or she) subscribes to.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, campers. This has gone far enough. We are a diverse group of people > united by a common profession. We appreciate and respect the diversity of > each others professional experience and we should carry that to a personal > level as well. This profession has people of different race, religion, > gender, national origin, sexual orientation and yes, political philosophy. > Those all should be respected and by that I mean not offending or insulting > someone whose views or lifestyle are different from ours. I hoped, perhaps > in vain, that this group would be above that. > > A one-time quip is one thing, but to attempt to adapt it into our common > vocabulary, especially when others are offended, is at best inappropriate > and at worst immature. There is plenty of fodder about the other side that > could be said as well. Let's not descend to that level. Let's act like > grown-ups and professionals and move on. > > Todd > > > > > At 02:08 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote: >> >> That this forum has such outstanding participation and participants speaks >> to the fact that, like the children of a small MN town, we are all above >> average. >> >> One thing we seem to share is a desire to see good quality fire protection >> in our communities and in the work that we all do. This is the strength of >> the Forum. What we do not share, necessarily, is agreement on matters >> political (and perhaps religious, but I have not scene the words "Pope" or >> "Buddha" used in vain). >> >> As a courtesy to others, I would suggest that all Forum participants >> refrain from using the names of political leaders, particularly in a >> derogatory context, unless commenting on their positions on fire protection. >> >> Dave >> >> David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP >> Firetech Engineering Incorporated >> >> >> --- On Fri, 2/27/09, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: George Church <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: system review >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 12:23 PM >> >> Hmm. >> If you're objecting to the use of Pelosi as bs, I apologize but feel her >> actions and very public stature almost beg for it, and I'll likely >> continue. >> Sorry if it bothers you. I apologize if anyone was offended by Pelosi, but >> she offends me often. >> >> As for Leyton and McMahon, we often debate and disagree but remain >> friends- >> in Leyton's case, by avoiding political discussion, in Thom's, cooking. >> But >> hopefully Forumites know we're friends and much of this is planned >> backhanded compliments. If I really wanted to upset one of them, I'd post >> pics of the go kart racing- another reason to go to AFSA's national >> convention. >> >> I don't think there's much in the way of personal attacks on the forum, >> and >> as Ron recently exemplified, an apology is all that's needed to reverse >> what >> seemed like a good (or tolerable) idea at the time, but wasn't. He's >> certainly contributed enough good stuff to forgive him, and I know he has >> a >> ton of pressure on him with the volume slamming thru Aero (or at least >> DID). >> He's a good guy, have met him at Convention:) >> >> And ALL of us here are more equal than others who aren't. >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of å... .... >> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:49 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: system review >> >> I think it is Leyton-degrading to use someone's name in vain.although i am >> as guilty as the next. >> I know what it feels like to be cast as a jack-ass. >> Conform to the norm, or they assume you can't perform. >> >> If we got a God-Deal problem with something, then McMahon-almighty >> call out the problem, because the person is not the problem. >> and you probably are just creating another bigger problem in name >> blaming. >> >> The problem is: not-focussing-on-the-problem, and substituting >> a scapegoat for the situation. Focus on the issues, not the >> person. That way the >> chicken-Brumblebee readers will have to >> evaluate the article based on what actually is presented, >> rather than evaluating the article based on whose name >> gave the swag its game. >> >> It is low-brow, bad quality work, to call someone a Leyton-jerk. >> >> Separate the job from the person, and for certain it makes workin a lot >> easier. >> Will this happen in my lifetime? It hasn't since recorded history. >> Then why change? Because it is a better way, and you better >> assure that person the chance that person will be there and >> join forces with you in a future instance. >> This isn't group-hug... this is just good business duh. >> >> We all don't have to be sleep-over partners or hangover brothers >> to trust one another, if we argue over the most logical, and >> hopefully the most reasonable answers. Win some problems, >> lose others, but if we keep the personal MORE distant, then we >> all can go back at it, together, later, in a more objective and a less >> ego-bruised way. >> >> yes, I am God-Deal Leyton-ing Brumblebee-dick, but i refuse >> to let that label stick. evaluate the situation, >> not the author, company or authentication. It will >> help quell the herd mentality and propensity toward >> Animal Farm senility. >> >> >> scot deal >> excelsior fire engineering >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > Todd G. 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