While true initially the HPR then is replaced next year by Billy Bob Joe's
Insurance and they sue the contractor when it fails. HPR didn't legally
engineer it as they are not the EOR usually even though they often drive a
design, Codes don't cover it. You are out on your own at that point.
"proceed very cautiously" is very wise.
Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
Email: chr...@sentryfiremn.com
Mail: P.O. Box 69
Waverly, MN 55390
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
Waverly, MN 55390
-----Original Message-----
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 10:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: PODs storage again
If the HPR insurance company makes a judgement call on how to
protect it and it doesn't work, they pay for the loss. IF this
guidance is not in the published HPR Loss Prevention Data sheets, then
the consult is making the judgement call. Guess who will likely pay
for the loss? Now here's the scary part. If the contractor takes the
responsibility and provides the judgement call (typically considered
consulting/engineering since guidance is not in 13 or other national
standards) who will likely pay the claim?
The moral of the story is when NFPA 13 does not address it, proceed
very cautiously.
Roland
On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:50 AM, Chris Cahill wrote:
> The only hole in the thinking of the "experts" is their opinions are
> based
> on WAG not SWAG to my knowledge. I'm not suggesting they are wrong.
> I'd
> trust their knowledge a bit more if they had some test data (which
> doesn't
> exist) or at least some examples of fires and the outcome. Sure
> would be
> nice if they point to a fire with ESFR that was successfully
> contained. Has
> that happened and I'm not aware definitely probable.
>
> Think of it like this you see a problem with system and the
> contractor says
> well I've always done it like that. Doesn't make it right does it?
>
> And ESFR scares me a bit with its tendency to either work fully or
> burn the
> place down. At least with density systems there is a little reserve
> in my
> experience.
>
> And I'm totally comfortable if Elley or Rolf sign the design as
> EOR. Make
> it LH and I'm cool with their design.
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
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