I have the drawing pretty much done, except for a few pipe sizes. 
Only one 'building' is obvious. The rest who knows. A three story 
wing off a one story building? Addition or new building?




At 08:15 AM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
>Jeez Todd, more design according to DMR/HHS standards?
>Keep digging, takes a lot of time. I usually prepare a schematic.
>Can you determine what is a "wing" or "addition" vs. what is another
>"building"?
>Tom
>
>
>Forgot, there are two other standipipes (size unknown) 3 stories with
>2-1/2" hose valves.
>
>
>
>At 08:00 AM 4/6/2009, you wrote:
> >Determining age is a difficult task. There have been several
> >additions and modifications to the system with very little record
> >keeping. From an FIA plan, the oldest building is 1932. There are
> >additions dated 1955, 1967, 1973 and one that was erected after the
> >date of the plan, which is 1975. Even the plan isn't clear on where
> >one stops and the other begins. Most of the appendages are labeled
> >"addition" or "wing", so as to what constitutes a different building
> >is probably a good question.
> >
> >There is one 2-1/2", 5-story standpipe with 1-1/2" FHV and one
> >2-1/2", 4 story standpipe with 1-1/2" FHV. I believe that these are
> >both part of the 1932 building. There is one 2-1/2", 5-story
> >standpipe with 2-1/2" FHV. I'm not sure the age of that building. One
> >3-story building with 2-1/2" FHV fed from a 4" combination riser
> >(buried in wall. I believe that is 4". The rest are fed from
> >'horizontal standpipes' on the level where the service enters or a
> >fed from sprinkler mains. Three of the standpipes are interconnected,
> >but there are also sprinkler risers that are interconnected, so I'm
> >not sure (at this point) what is connected to what. I'm getting close,
>though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 04:57 PM 4/5/2009, you wrote:
> > >Sounds like your first task is to map the standpipes, since they are
>buried
> > >in walls. (Unless accurate as-built drawings exist.) The easiest way
>we've
> > >found to do this is with an underground locator, with an induction
>signal.
> > >(Similar to a line locator the utilities use.) You can rent these at some
> > >rental supply places.) Once you confirm what connects to what, some
> > >exploratory holes will have to be made to verify pipe size. See Snake
>tech.
> > >by Ridgid tool co makes this a easier task, with less cleanup or repair
>to
> > >rated wall assemblies. Even so you're not going to know where every
>fitting
> > >is, so be generous in your calc's for Phantom fitting loss. Calc's are
> > >required because even the old requirement was 65Psi at the top, and
>current
> > >requirements are for 100Psi. If you static on the supply is only 60, it
> > >didn't meet code when it was installed if the building is newer than
>1963.
> > >(I believe that was when the 65Psi was required in 14.)
> > >Sounds like calc's for Manual wet standpipe or fire pump for automatic.
> > >
> > >Thom McMahon, SET
>
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