Except 13 is the predominant legal standard in the US.  FM can do whatever
they want but no where that I know of are they the legal standard.  

Perhaps you said that in your 3rd paragraph but where would FM exceed 13 but
only need 2" lines vs. 2.5"?  Do you mean to say FM has a higher density
than 13 but rounding mathematically you get 2" lines and when you recalc per
13's lower density and rounding up you end up with 2" lines?  Does this
actually happen?  Is this just a marketing trick by FM seeming to require a
higher level of protection but in reality it's the same?  Cynical I guess. 

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
763-658-4483
763-658-4921 fax
 
Email: [email protected]
 
Mail: P.O. Box 69
        Waverly, MN 55390
 
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
              Waverly, MN 55390
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: FM rounding and other changes

Along those lines, FM Global is being very articulate about their ROUNDING
being standard mathematical rounding, not NFPA #13 round UP, in # heads per
line in MRA.

Those who were at NFSA's convention might know that from attending a seminar
on FM proposed changes; not pushing NFSA, just the chance to learn. I've not
had time to look to see if AFSA has similar seminar, I'd be surprised if
they didn't since FMG is trying to telegraph the large changes like grouping
STORAGE heads together instead of keeping suppression heads separate from
area/density or CMSA; and hose streams will be based on the number of heads
operating in the remote area. Those are some big conceptual changes and if
you want to know about them, go to FM Global's site, see if they have more
there; find out from someone who attended the NFSA seminar on this topic, or
see if the AFSA has one coming in San Diego.

Contractors rounding UP per #13 can be estimating 2.5" lines all year
against the little piggie that learned at convention that 2" will do fine
with one less head operating per line, so assuming FM criteria exceeds code
minimums and is the design criteria, the 2" lines are generally going to
bring in more profitable work than saving money not going to convention and
not knowing what the others do and losing bids all year.

If all you do is follow what the plumbing designer drew up and try to be low
on street work, ignore all the above.

glc 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: In-rack fireprotection

Yup, you got it.  For example if you look at Figure 12.3.2.1.2(g) if you
used Curve "A" with an 8ft aisle at .39/2000 and Curve "C" with a 4ft aisle
at .475/2000, a 6ft aisle would give you a density of 0.4325/2000.  

And I would hold that density tightly to that 0.4325, I wouldn't let any old
contractor get away with only giving 0.43 when the spec says 0.4325 gpm/sq.
ft.   Specs is specs! ;)


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
[email protected]
http://www.ch2m.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: In-rack fireprotection

I am guessing this is a point or density between the density at 4ft. and the
density of 8ft. wide aisle?

Jay White
Estimator/Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
1807 Hwy. 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
Phone: 662-324-1550
Fax:       662-324-1545
Cell:      662-312-2426

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jay White
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: In-rack fireprotection

In NFPA 13 2002 edition, section 12.3.2.1.2.1; for aisle widths between 4ft
and 8 ft, a direct linear interpolation between densities shall be made. Can
someone explain this?

Jay White
Estimator/Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
1807 Hwy. 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
Phone: 662-324-1550
Fax:       662-324-1545
Cell:      662-312-2426


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