Stewart, Its not about fault or blame but rather understanding. If Arup has sound engineering on this so be it. The reason I asked is we AHJ's regularly hear "well I was allowed to do it in XYZ jurisdiction !" so information is key to resolving these issues.
Keep posting ! Sincerely John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart Kidd Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age I'm beginning to regret even mentioning the premises. I have no information at all on the system or the assumptions behind them. I understand that the the protection was installed voluntarily (ie there was no legal requirement to provide protection) when the change of use took place - the skating rink was not previously protected. The photo was taken more than 10/12 years ago and I'm not even sure if the premises are still used for retailing. Can't help further, sorry Stewart On 6 Jul 2009, at 14:22, John Drucker wrote: > So Arup's determination assures that the forementioned sprinkler > protection will operate and control the fire matching the performance > of a typical system where a roof or ceiling barrier is present ?. > > Seems to me the concern would be uncontrolled fire spread to adjacent > contents. > > John Drucker Jr. > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart > Kidd > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age > > Thomas > > This is not one of my jobs - I have done an insurance review but was > not involved the system design and installation. > > Given the height of the heads and the fuel load and likely fire spread > scenario I believe the fire strategy report prepared by Arup Fire > decided that collectors were unnecessary. > > Regards > > Stewart > > > On 6 Jul 2009, at 00:10, Thomas Watt wrote: > >> Wow...no heat collection necessary eh? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stewart Kidd" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:30 AM >> Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age >> >> >>> Can't post the file due to restrictions on the size of submissions. >>> Happy to send it to anyone who wants. >>> >>> Stewart >>> On 5 Jul 2009, at 10:44, Haji, Jaber M wrote: >>> >>>> Pls let's share the picture. Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected] >>>> ] On Behalf Of Stewart Kidd >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:58 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age >>>> >>>> Frans >>>> >>>> Can't recall the article but there is a UK shopping centre >>>> (converted from a skating rink) which is sprinkler protected using >>>> free standing posts each with three or four arms containing >>>> sprinkler heads. I'll send you a picture off-line. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Stewart >>>> >>>> On 5 Jul 2009, at 01:19, Frans Stoop wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> If my memory serves me right, there was an article in Sprinkler >>>>> Age > >>>>> some years ago about how a contractor installed water monitors >>>>> inside a dome structure. >>>>> Installing sprinklers was impossible because the main structure >>>>> was > >>>>> only an (inflatable?) membrane. >>>>> >>>>> I tried to retrieve that article by digging through old years of >>>>> Sprinkler Age but unfortunately I couldn't find it. >>>>> Or was it in Fire Journal? >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone of you happens to remember that article and can point >>>>> me to the right year and number? >>>>> >>>>> Frans Stoop >>>>> TOS architecture & fire protection Netherlands >>>>> <[email protected]> Tel. +31-24-324 0112 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>>> to:[email protected] >>>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:[email protected] >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>> The contents of this email, including all related responses, files >>>> and attachments transmitted with it (collectively referred to as >>>> "this Email"), are intended solely for the use of the individual/ >>>> entity to whom/which they are addressed, and may contain >>>> confidential and/or legally privileged information. 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