Stewart, 

Its not about fault or blame but rather understanding. If Arup has sound
engineering on this so be it. The reason I asked is we AHJ's regularly
hear "well I was allowed to do it in XYZ jurisdiction !" so information
is key to resolving these issues.

Keep posting !

Sincerely
John 

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart
Kidd
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age

I'm beginning to regret even mentioning the premises.

I have no information at all on the system or the assumptions behind
them.  I understand that the the protection was installed voluntarily
(ie there was no legal requirement to provide protection) when the
change of use took place - the skating rink was not previously
protected. The photo was taken more than 10/12 years ago and I'm not
even sure if the premises are still used for retailing.

Can't help further, sorry

Stewart
On 6 Jul 2009, at 14:22, John Drucker wrote:

> So Arup's determination assures that the forementioned sprinkler 
> protection will operate and control the fire matching the performance 
> of a typical system where a roof or ceiling barrier is present ?.
>
> Seems to me the concern would be uncontrolled fire spread to adjacent 
> contents.
>
> John Drucker Jr.
> Fire Protection Subcode Official
> Borough of Red Bank, NJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart

> Kidd
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age
>
> Thomas
>
> This is not one of my jobs - I have done an insurance review but was 
> not involved the system design and installation.
>
> Given the height of the heads and the fuel load and likely fire spread

> scenario I believe the fire strategy report prepared by Arup Fire 
> decided that collectors were unnecessary.
>
> Regards
>
> Stewart
>
>
> On 6 Jul 2009, at 00:10, Thomas Watt wrote:
>
>> Wow...no heat collection necessary eh?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stewart Kidd" <[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 6:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age
>>
>>
>>> Can't post the file due to restrictions on the size of submissions.
>>> Happy to send it to anyone who wants.
>>>
>>> Stewart
>>> On 5 Jul 2009, at 10:44, Haji, Jaber M wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pls let's share the picture. Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]
>>>> ] On Behalf Of Stewart Kidd
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 11:58 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: Membrane dome in Sprinkler Age
>>>>
>>>> Frans
>>>>
>>>> Can't recall the article but there is a UK shopping centre 
>>>> (converted from a skating rink) which is sprinkler protected using 
>>>> free standing posts each with three or four arms containing 
>>>> sprinkler heads.  I'll send you a picture off-line.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Stewart
>>>>
>>>> On 5 Jul 2009, at 01:19, Frans Stoop wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> If my memory serves me right, there was an article in Sprinkler 
>>>>> Age
>
>>>>> some years ago about how a contractor installed water monitors 
>>>>> inside a dome structure.
>>>>> Installing sprinklers was impossible because the main structure 
>>>>> was
>
>>>>> only an (inflatable?) membrane.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to retrieve that article by digging through old years of 
>>>>> Sprinkler Age but unfortunately I couldn't find it.
>>>>> Or was it in Fire Journal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone of you happens to remember that article and can point 
>>>>> me to the right year and number?
>>>>>
>>>>> Frans Stoop
>>>>> TOS architecture & fire protection Netherlands 
>>>>> <[email protected]> Tel. +31-24-324 0112
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