Good also. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Fletcher, Ron <[email protected]> wrote: > A preposition is a word you should never end a sentence with. > > Ron Fletcher > Aero Automatic Sprinkler > Phoenix, AZ 85024 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:30 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: technical issue > > George, > > Communication is communication. Content over context, especially here. > I'll defer to the fact that Winston Churchill had a far greater > mastery of the English language than I and here is what he had to say > regarding a similar topic: "Not ending sentences with prepositions is > nonsense up with which I will not put." 'Nuff said. > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: >> 70% of the failures attributable to improperly closed valves is what I >> recall, don't know that we hit 97% but it wouldn't surpise me. >> I also recall 70% with 2 heads, 90-some% with 4 heads or less controlling >> fires. I'd email Jim Lake, staff liason for both 13 and 25- as close to >> applicable standards for the study as I can think of. >> >> Sorry to end a sentence with a preposition, Ron. >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:15 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: technical issue >> >> NFPA did a report about 3-5 years ago on the topic of failures. My summary >> is if the valve is open and no one interferes with the system after the fire >> starts for all systems the failure rate is very, very tiny like to the >> extent it happens but isn't something we need to really worry about. KEEP >> THE DAMN VALVE OPEN! It's even divided by occupancy. LH are even smaller >> failure rate, storage and high hazard were more but still ridiculously low. >> This is the source of George's 70% comment but I don't recall the number. I >> thought it was like 97%. Or maybe 97% success and of the 3% failure 70% are >> from closed valves which leaves 0.9% of all systems would be successful if >> the valve was open. Who ever reads it please remind me. >> >> They, NFPA, also have save data from what the fire departments report. >> That's about the best you can get on that. And I'll tell you right now even >> FD's under report sprinkler saves even when they know about them. Less >> paper work is the motivator here. >> >> Chris Cahill, P.E. >> Fire Protection Engineer >> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. >> >> 763-658-4483 >> 763-658-4921 fax >> >> Email: [email protected] >> >> Mail: P.O. Box 69 >> Waverly, MN 55390 >> >> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW >> Waverly, MN 55390 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:38 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: technical issue >> >> I'd suggest NFPA as the best source for this. Problem is, there is no >> nationwide clearinghouse recording this data like our friends Down Under >> have, so many of our "saves" are buried on page 72 of the newspaper, as in >> "Sprinkler system floods building" and in the last para they mention- oh, >> there was a fire.... but they ignore that the building was saved. >> >> Another source would be FM Global, or other major risk insurers. >> >> I'm trying to recall where I read that 70% of fires spkrs failed to control >> were caused by improperly closed valves- NFPA source, don't recall where it >> was published, tho. >> >> Along that line of thought, tho- when PA came out of the early 80's BOCA and >> into the I-Codes world in April, 2004, I asked L&I if they were intending to >> require compliance with #25 via IBC ref to 13 ref to 25; the answer was that >> the intent of the legislature was specifically NOT to require any ITM with >> the new Uniform Construction Code based on IBC. (sigh) >> >> glc >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:25 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: technical issue >> >> You guys are great, sometimes abrupt, sometime too silly, but great. I >> appreciate and enjoy most of the forum...Thanks, >> >> I need to know if anyone has statistics that show any data related to >> sprinkler system failure due to poor maintenance - for a small in house >> class I am doing btw. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> >> Greg McGahan >> Operations Manager >> >> Living Water Fire Protection >> 1160 McKenzie Road >> P.O. 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