I think it stays tripped by itself. There is no panel, 110 vac solenoid. That's part of the electrical problem. Not supervised, no power and no money to fix properly.
C. Burton Ford Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm, Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design &Sprinkler Inspections NFPA CFPS Cintas Fire Protection-D-47 Warminster, PA 18974 Phone 267-487-1000 Fax 267-487-1010 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Henke Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Impaired preaction How is he keeping the preaction valve tripped? Is the panel in alarm with the solenoid energized? The solenoid and/or panel may not be able to handle continuous energization/alarm. Also what if someone resets the panel? Regards, Mike Henke Potter Electric -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Impaired preaction Yup=- And just plug it with a mech tee when repairs to the detection system are completed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Vining Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Impaired preaction How will they get an alarm if a sprinkler operates. They could install a waterflow indicator, but it would have to be removed if they ever use the preaction valve again. Ed Vining On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > If it's a library, unless portions of the system are inappropriately > exposed to sub-40 deg. temps, there isn't a code requirement that a > library be protected by a particular KIND of system, just that it be per > the referenced standard (13). Which gives the designer a choice, that > was likely exercised to mitigate the chance of a false discharge > irreparably damaging books, archival collections, etc. And likely > specified that way. I doubt you'll find a code violation, but the > first cost of preaction was undertaken for a reason, so it's the > library's decision to put it back into preaction service or not. > > Steve Leyton > Protection Design & Consulting > San Diego, CA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ford, > Charles > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Impaired preaction > > We have a customer whose pre-action system for a library is impaired due > to electrical/ detection > problems. He has had a contractor trip it into a wet pipe system. We are > looking for a code reference > prohibiting this kind of "repair". Is this possibly just an AHJ > decision? > Any suggestions? > > C. Burton Ford > Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm, > Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design > &Sprinkler Inspections > NFPA CFPS > Cintas Fire Protection-D-47 > Warminster, PA 18974 > Phone 267-487-1000 > Fax 267-487-1010 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Richardson, R > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Flexible Pipe > > The engineer quite likely means the use of high pressure steel braided > rubber hose, or something > similar. > > We have approved high pressure steel braided rubber hose for these > situations often, as long as they > installation is such that the hose remain submerged. Not a whole lot of > better options that we are > aware of at this point. > > Rich Richardson > Seattle Fire Department > > > > > Yeah you read this right. > > > > I'm reviewing a pacakge and the EOR has called out for flexible pipe > at a > > couple of areas where he thinks they can't use hard pipe to make the > bends, > > plus he is wanting some allowance for movement. This is on a pier. > > > > So I've hunted even though in all my years dabbling in this I can't > recall > > such an animal. 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