Black pipe has a protective coating and the more expensive seems to
have a better coating. These are usually of a varnish type. Remember
that those slings of Hyundai black steel 53 & 54 came here on a boat.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:13 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> The appendix of 13 (A.8.16.4.2.1) does give some commentary for certain 
> conditions where "If corrosive conditions are not of great intensity and 
> humidity
> is not abnormally high, good results can be obtained by a protective coating 
> of red lead and varnish or by a good grade of commercial acid-resisting 
> paint. The paint manufacturer's instructions should be followed in the 
> preparation of the surface and in the method of application."
>
> But the point being that pipe exposed to the weather is to have some sort of 
> protection.  If you take this literally it appears to leave no option for 
> non-protected black steel pipe in exposed conditions.
>
>
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Specialist
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
> 1500 International Drive
> PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
> Direct - 864.599.4102
> Fax - 864.599.8439
> [email protected]
> http://www.ch2m.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Denhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:44 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>
> I agree with Ron.  Just because it is outside under a canopy would not mean 
> it has to be galvanized.  I think a lot has to be where the building is 
> located.  I would be perfectly happy with a coat of paint on the piping in an 
> area where occasionally the pipe might be exposed to the elements.
>
>
> John
>
> John August Denhardt, P.E.
> Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated
> 5113 Berwyn Road
> College Park, Maryland 20740
> Office Telephone Number:  301-474-1136
> Mobile Telephone Number:  301-343-1457
> FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>
> I think it's ambiguous because it is ambiguous. I wouldn't have a bit of 
> trouble worrying about black piper exposed to weather in Arizona or Saudi 
> Arabia. Might get a surface rusting but that's protective. I might, on the 
> other hand, be horrified of the thought of using anything but that stuff that 
> has the zinc impregnated into the outer layers of the steel rather than as 
> just a coating (don't want to name it and be accused of advertising a 
> product) on a North Sea offshore oil platform, even for inside stuff. All is 
> situational.
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Bobby Gillett 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I was in FL at one time a few years ago, could be the same one.
>>
>> Not the same, but still good.
>>
>> Bobby Gillett
>> Sr. Project Manager
>> Key Fire Protection, Inc.
>> (731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
>> (731) 267-4853 cell
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Cahill
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:35 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>>
>> Oooops, nah, it's all different if it's not here.  I have to drive
>> through TN next month to get to FL. It's not all the same "down there", lol.
>>
>> Must be the other Bobby, yeah that's my story.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby
>> Gillett
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:29 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>>
>> No no, Bobby is in TN. and this is a fully covered canopy. - beam &
>> purlin construction.
>>
>> Bobby Gillett
>> Sr. Project Manager
>> Key Fire Protection, Inc.
>> (731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
>> (731) 267-4853 cell
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Cahill
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:26 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>>
>> I don't see it as that clear.  '02-8.15.3.2.3 Where corrosive
>> conditions exist OR the piping is exposed to weather......
>>
>> So I guess it depends on the definition of "exposed to weather".  One
>> could say outside period.  Bobby is in FL, I imagine ambient air is a
>> little moister and perhaps saltier even inland than here in the flooded 
>> tundra.
>>
>> Or I guess it could mean gets rained on so with a cover maybe not
>> exposed to weather.
>>
>> I know open parking ramps don't fair well here with black nor do wash
>> bays inside.  Generic store front canopy a little grayer.
>>
>> Chris Cahill, P.E.
>> Fire Protection Engineer
>> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>>
>> 763-658-4483
>> 763-658-4921 fax
>>
>> Email: [email protected]
>>
>> Mail: P.O. Box 69
>>        Waverly, MN 55390
>>
>> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
>>              Waverly, MN 55390
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
>> Denhardt
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:39 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>>
>> It is not required to be galvanized per NFPA 13.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> John August Denhardt, P.E.
>> Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated
>> 5113 Berwyn Road
>> College Park, Maryland 20740
>> Office Telephone Number:  301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number:
>> 301-343-1457 FIRE SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby
>> Gillett
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:44 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Exterior dry system piping under canopy
>>
>> I have a dry system (non-FM in TN) under an exterior canopy. Is there
>> somewhere it states the pipe and fittings are to be corrosion
>> resistant (ex.
>> Galv.)? I thought somewhere it stated for preact it had to be
>> regardless, but I can't find that either. Maybe I'm pulling an old
>> spec from a project out of my brain as the last two I've done have
>> required galv. piping per the spec book.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bobby Gillett
>>
>> Sr. Project Manager
>>
>> Key Fire Protection, Inc.
>>
>> (731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
>>
>> (731) 267-4853 cell
>>
>>  <mailto:[email protected]>
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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