AHJs rely on the plans to be accurately labeled. Good communication using precise code defined labels/terminology avoids many misunderstandings and associated delays in reviews.
A note on the drawing or cover letter from the architect explaining the situation is a big help to plan reviewers. Plan reviewers are not all local and aware of the project before they get the plans. The majority of projects coming through our state level office for a sprinkler system shop drawing review hit us "cold" with no prior knowledge of anything outside the contents of the submittal. We usually have not even seen the building plans so shop drawings must note such things as why an area is missing sprinklers [non-combustible canopy with no storage of combustibles underneath, non-combustible stairway, etc.]. David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE Engineering ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office of State Fire Marshal 141 Monticello Trail Columbia, SC 29203 Phone: 803.896.9833 Fax: 803.896.9806 Email: [email protected] OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger I can do better that this one. We're working on a local community college campus, expanding the Aviation Sciences building. It's an old Type V, block walls and bowstring trusses with a curved roof, about 22' high at the peak. It currently houses two dry airplanes and a dry helicopter. And I mean dry as in no lube, nothing. The expansion has the aircraft moving outside under new non-combustible canopies and the big room being converted to a teaching shop with work benches. They've always referred to the big room as "The Hangar" so the architect showed it on the plans as such. The AHJ (State of Californicate) takes a look at the preliminary design submittal and says, "Hangar? Well then you better build it per NFPA 409!" And so we're going to set a meeting where we can hit the plans reviewer over the head with a 24" until he comes around ... This is the Major Leagues of consulting: "Uh, Mr. Architect? Could you change the word "hangar" to "shop" on the plans please?" Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aircraft Hanger Did you try, "409 exists because hangers are not warehouses, but more like special garages some with repair facilities?" Of course Boeing has their planes in high piled arrays so that when an you want ten or twenty 7XX's they just pull them off the rack, dump them in cardboard boxes full of packing peanuts and ship them UPS ground straight to your door. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > How about "1 plane high"? > > > At 09:40 AM 6/1/2010, you wrote: >>I feel your pain brother. You could fill it out and show maximum of >>two planes high, palletted and see what he says. Unbelievable. How >>did he get that job again? >> >> >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:37 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>That's what I originally had, he's insisting that since it's "Airplane >>Storage" there must be a Max. Height, I'll just put in the building height >>and be done with it. Thanks. >> >> >>Regards, >>Brian Harris >>FDFP INC. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>[email protected] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:32 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>Put in N/A for Not Applicable. >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>The local Fire Marshall wants the "Maximum Storage Height" box filled out on >>the hydraulic placard..... >> >> >>Regards, >>Brian Harris >>FDFP INC. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>[email protected] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:26 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>Storage height for what? >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Aircraft Hanger >> >> >>Is there anywhere in the code (13 or 409) that would give me the max. >>storage height for a group 2 Aircraft Hanger? I've looked through both but >>can't come up with anything, any help would greatly be appreciated. >> >>Brian Harris >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>_______________________________________________ >>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>[email protected] >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > Todd G. 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