One the one hand, in this particular case, sure. But I cannot count the number of schools projects we've gotten back with the plancheck correction to increase density from LH to OH2 in rooms noted as "Computer Lab". There's a vernacular in many industries and education occupancies have their own lexicon. One would think that an agency that reviews nothing but schools and courthouses would be up on the uses that they plan check, no? Let's see ... community college ... right in the middle of San Diego ... no airfield on campus ... no FAA jurisdiction ... "hangar" shown filled with work benches and a speaker's platform ... hmmmm ... Toto, could it be that perhaps we're not in general aviation anymore?
Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger "Could you change the word "hangar" to "shop" on the plans please?"..................Exactly It would be no different than an architect referring to a big room in a restaurant as the "nightclub". I'd question it as well. If the property owner has no intention of using it as an aviation hanger than a change of name should be without objection. It is what it is. John Drucker, CET Fire Protection Subcode Official Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector Fire Marshals Office Borough of Red Bank, NJ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger I can do better that this one. We're working on a local community college campus, expanding the Aviation Sciences building. It's an old Type V, block walls and bowstring trusses with a curved roof, about 22' high at the peak. It currently houses two dry airplanes and a dry helicopter. And I mean dry as in no lube, nothing. The expansion has the aircraft moving outside under new non-combustible canopies and the big room being converted to a teaching shop with work benches. They've always referred to the big room as "The Hangar" so the architect showed it on the plans as such. The AHJ (State of Californicate) takes a look at the preliminary design submittal and says, "Hangar? Well then you better build it per NFPA 409!" And so we're going to set a meeting where we can hit the plans reviewer over the head with a 24" until he comes around ... This is the Major Leagues of consulting: "Uh, Mr. Architect? Could you change the word "hangar" to "shop" on the plans please?" Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Aircraft Hanger Did you try, "409 exists because hangers are not warehouses, but more like special garages some with repair facilities?" Of course Boeing has their planes in high piled arrays so that when an you want ten or twenty 7XX's they just pull them off the rack, dump them in cardboard boxes full of packing peanuts and ship them UPS ground straight to your door. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > How about "1 plane high"? > > > At 09:40 AM 6/1/2010, you wrote: >>I feel your pain brother. You could fill it out and show maximum of >>two planes high, palletted and see what he says. Unbelievable. How >>did he get that job again? >> >> >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:37 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>That's what I originally had, he's insisting that since it's "Airplane >>Storage" there must be a Max. Height, I'll just put in the building height >>and be done with it. Thanks. >> >> >>Regards, >>Brian Harris >>FDFP INC. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>[email protected] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:32 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>Put in N/A for Not Applicable. >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>The local Fire Marshall wants the "Maximum Storage Height" box filled out on >>the hydraulic placard..... >> >> >>Regards, >>Brian Harris >>FDFP INC. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>[email protected] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:26 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger >> >>Storage height for what? >> >>Craig L. Prahl, CET >>Fire Protection Specialist >>Mechanical Department >>CH2MHILL >>Lockwood Greene >>1500 International Drive >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>Direct - 864.599.4102 >>Fax - 864.599.8439 >>[email protected] >>http://www.ch2m.com >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Harris >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Aircraft Hanger >> >> >>Is there anywhere in the code (13 or 409) that would give me the max. >>storage height for a group 2 Aircraft Hanger? 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