Maybe he had a problem with the hanger detail.....
At 10:06 AM 6/2/2010, you wrote: >One the one hand, in this particular case, sure. But I cannot count >the number of schools projects we've gotten back with the plancheck >correction to increase density from LH to OH2 in rooms noted as >"Computer Lab". There's a vernacular in many industries and >education occupancies have their own lexicon. One would think that >an agency that reviews nothing but schools and courthouses would be >up on the uses that they plan check, no? Let's see ... community >college ... right in the middle of San Diego ... no airfield on >campus ... no FAA jurisdiction ... "hangar" shown filled with work >benches and a speaker's platform ... hmmmm ... Toto, could it be >that perhaps we're not in general aviation anymore? > >Steve Leyton >Protection Design & Consulting >San Diego, CA > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Drucker >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:34 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >"Could you change the word "hangar" to "shop" on the plans >please?"..................Exactly > >It would be no different than an architect referring to a big room in a >restaurant as the "nightclub". I'd question it as well. If the property >owner has no intention of using it as an aviation hanger than a change of >name should be without objection. It is what it is. > >John Drucker, CET >Fire Protection Subcode Official >Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector >Fire Marshals Office >Borough of Red Bank, NJ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 10:42 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >I can do better that this one. We're working on a local community college >campus, expanding the Aviation Sciences building. It's an old Type V, >block walls and bowstring trusses with a curved roof, about 22' high at the >peak. It currently houses two dry airplanes and a dry helicopter. And I >mean dry as in no lube, nothing. The expansion has the aircraft moving >outside under new non-combustible canopies and the big room being converted >to a teaching shop with work benches. They've always referred to the big >room as "The Hangar" so the architect showed it on the plans as such. The >AHJ (State of Californicate) takes a look at the preliminary design >submittal and says, "Hangar? Well then you better build it per NFPA 409!" >And so we're going to set a meeting where we can hit the plans reviewer over >the head with a 24" until he comes around ... This is the Major Leagues of >consulting: "Uh, Mr. Architect? Could you change the word "hangar" to >"shop" on the plans please?" > >Steve Leyton >Protection Design & Consulting >San Diego, CA > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 7:17 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Aircraft Hanger > >Did you try, "409 exists because hangers are not warehouses, but more >like special garages some with repair facilities?" Of course Boeing >has their planes in high piled arrays so that when an you want ten or >twenty 7XX's they just pull them off the rack, dump them in cardboard >boxes full of packing peanuts and ship them UPS ground straight to >your door. > >On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > How about "1 plane high"? > > > > > > At 09:40 AM 6/1/2010, you wrote: > >>I feel your pain brother. You could fill it out and show maximum of > >>two planes high, palletted and see what he says. Unbelievable. How > >>did he get that job again? > >> > >> > >> > >>Craig L. Prahl, CET > >>Fire Protection Specialist > >>Mechanical Department > >>CH2MHILL > >>Lockwood Greene > >>1500 International Drive > >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >>Direct - 864.599.4102 > >>Fax - 864.599.8439 > >>[email protected] > >>http://www.ch2m.com > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >Harris > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:37 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >> > >>That's what I originally had, he's insisting that since it's "Airplane > >>Storage" there must be a Max. Height, I'll just put in the building height > >>and be done with it. Thanks. > >> > >> > >>Regards, > >>Brian Harris > >>FDFP INC. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>[email protected] > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:32 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >> > >>Put in N/A for Not Applicable. > >> > >>Craig L. Prahl, CET > >>Fire Protection Specialist > >>Mechanical Department > >>CH2MHILL > >>Lockwood Greene > >>1500 International Drive > >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >>Direct - 864.599.4102 > >>Fax - 864.599.8439 > >>[email protected] > >>http://www.ch2m.com > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >Harris > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:29 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >> > >>The local Fire Marshall wants the "Maximum Storage Height" box filled out >on > >>the hydraulic placard..... > >> > >> > >>Regards, > >>Brian Harris > >>FDFP INC. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >>[email protected] > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:26 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: RE: Aircraft Hanger > >> > >>Storage height for what? > >> > >>Craig L. Prahl, CET > >>Fire Protection Specialist > >>Mechanical Department > >>CH2MHILL > >>Lockwood Greene > >>1500 International Drive > >>Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >>Direct - 864.599.4102 > >>Fax - 864.599.8439 > >>[email protected] > >>http://www.ch2m.com > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [email protected] > >>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian >Harris > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:23 AM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Aircraft Hanger > >> > >> > >>Is there anywhere in the code (13 or 409) that would give me the max. > >>storage height for a group 2 Aircraft Hanger? I've looked through both but > >>can't come up with anything, any help would greatly be appreciated. > >> > >>Brian Harris > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > Todd G. 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