Highly flammable building materials have played a big role in several large and infamous fires. Coconut Grove (1942 - wasn't there but have the matchbook), the Hartford Circus Fire (1944), The Station (2003) and several others. They can be just as important in smaller ones.
At 11:26 AM 7/14/2010, you wrote: >David, > >Some of us geriatrics remember that event quite well, perhaps because of >the spectacle the subsequent trial turned into. If my senility hasn't >hit quite completely, my memory is that Chet Schirmer testified at some >length that fire sprinklers would not have made any difference, and he >was equally opposed in his testimony by Rolf Jensen who claimed that >they would have. From the small fraction of the testimony I read it was >quite a show. Seems to me the argument spilled over into some heavy >acrimony during the next couple of cycles of NFPA-13 committee meetings, >as both men were members, and if I'm correct, I think Chet was the chairman. > >And, although I'm not quite old enough to remember this, the NFPA >journal had a long article a few years back on the Coconut Grove >nightclub fire up in Boston in '44 (I think). One of the issues in that >fire, according to the article, was the highly flammable paper >decorative material over the booths along the walls, which was made to >look like a thatched roof. That was not the cause of the fire, by any >means, but it did contribute significantly to what happened, and the >tragic loss of life. >-- > >PARSLEY CONSULTING > >Ken Wagoner, SET > >760.745.6181 voice > >760.745.0537 fax > >[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> e-mail > >www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website > > > > > >David de Vries wrote: > > You younger guys may not remember a rather important historical > event involving a haunted house in NJ in the 1970's. The place was > not sprinklered and several (like 5 or 6) teenagers died in the > fire. The place was loaded with foam plastics and the fire spread > too quickly for them to ffind the exit in the dark and twisted > corridors. Thus followed all the requirements for special amusement > buildings. > > > > Dave, look at the configuration, materials of construction and > decoration, heights, etc. I would recommend at least OH1 and QR > throughout the assembly area. Storage, mechanical, etc. at least OH2. > > > > Also, Dave, look closely at the lighting and exit signage reqs in 101. > > > > Dave > > > > David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP > > Firetech Engineering Incorporated > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Haunted House > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:35 PM > > > > > > I've only done one and I based it on OH2. One of the caveats was that > > it could not be used as a for storage other than for items that are > > part of the display. > > > > > > At 05:23 PM 7/13/2010, you wrote: > > > >> Assembly would fall under Light Hazard (seems lite to me) but > like a church > >> or auditorium your good at L H, did a amusement park in Glen Echo's MD and > >> everything was GP I plus mech areas GP II, personally I'd > dither, that is if > >> you have the water design to GP I and show it as LT hazard with a large > >> safety factor, sleep well at night. > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Autry, David > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Okay, agreed, it's an assembly occupancy/special amusement. > >>> > >>> What NFPA 13 occupancy/hazard would it be? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> David Autry > >>> Plans Examiner > >>> Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office > >>> 246 S. 14th Street > >>> Lincoln, NE 68508 > >>> 402-471-9659 > >>> 402-471-3118 fax > >>> www.sfm.ne.gov > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>> > >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email > >>> > >> > to:[email protected]<to%[email protected]> > >> > >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Poisal, CET > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> > > > > Todd G. 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