I remember the first attic I designed.  I drove around for 2 weeks (on my off 
time) staring at roof slopes, ridges and valleys... It finally began to make 
sense!  Now it just seems like second nature. :)  

Jamie
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On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> Oh BARF!!!
> 
> Doubt we'll ever use the Bilbo Velocity Formula in a class for hand calc's, 
> but it is awesome for spreadsheets and programming.
> 
> It is amazing what a little "fresh" thinking will do for ya'.
> 
> I wish I had the guts to do some of the stuff I see being "performance based 
> designed" out there.  Your pumps and your designs are off the hook George.  I 
> just don't know many companies that are willing to spend the money (make the 
> investment) to get to the point where they can do it.
> 
> This industry isn't standing still and I applaud everyone that is trying to 
> learn and keep up!  
> 
> Tomorrow, our students will be turning in a full and complete submital, 
> stocklist and calc on an Attic I dreamed up. (It's midterms already!!)  They 
> are using Attic type sprinklers and it is fun to watch them have to step 
> outside the box of typical sprinklers and spacing.  Peaks, Hips, and eave 
> sprinklers..... And all in 3-D too!
> 
> The students could use some real projects to work on!  (But I suppose that is 
> true for everyone right now.....)
> 
> 
> Later dudes,
> 
> Cecil Bilbo 
> Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology
> Champaign, IL
> 845-878-4200 x138 
> www.sprinkleracademy.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: [email protected]
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection
>> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:40:52 -0400
>> 
>> Like our friend's brilliant son's formula for solving calcs without trial
>> and error.
>> Asked why we use trial and error instead of just solving it, and worked on
>> the formula until he got it right.
>> A rocket scientist in our business couldn't find fault with it.
>> A lot of midnight oil but Cecil will someday be teaching a class on
>> hydraulic calcs and teach students a formula named after his son who
>> developed it. Skyman is a chip off the old Cecil. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:16 PM
>> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection
>> 
>> So what your saying is when you run into something in the code or standard
>> that has been there a while, you question if this is the only way to do it?
>> That's always a good start, but for things to change you also have to be
>> willing to follow thru and do the research, testing and get the "Proof" that
>> your alternative will perform as well as or better than the existing
>> approved practice, and then commit to that all important step---Submit it
>> for review (Proposal to NFPA)
>> 
>> We all have what we consider "Good" ideas from time to time, but how many of
>> us follow thru?
>> 
>> Follow thru on finding a new safe antifreeze, and then name it after
>> yourself, or your dog or a beloved member of this forum. But you can't even
>> consider what to name it until you've paid the due's.
>> 
>> Thom
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:12 AM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection
>> 
>> Matt- it never was 'up for consideration' as a possible resolution- just
>> another one of my hair-brained hypotheticals- (my latest for solving the AF
>> problem was inspired by G as he ripped me to shreds- I call it Mexican
>> Jumping Water- moving water is harder to freeze). I have no problem with
>> doing things the way they have always been done, but being level 4, I feel
>> bad when someone asks me why I am doing something that way, the only reason
>> I can give them is "Because that is how it is has always been done". This
>> industry needs, young, original thinkers, and old, stodgy thinkers both. 
>> 
>> 
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