Pretty much " 'cause Roland says so." What I'm saying is you asked a question of your peers based on what you felt was a misinterpretation by this AHJ. The opinions you received mostly support your position. A member of the correlating committee agrees with your position. Another member gave you a history of how some of the decisions were arrived at in committee and that supports your position. Perhaps this AHJ needs to take this information that he did not have when he made his ruling and re-examine his interpretation. You can read my previous reply to David about the AHJ that holds you hostage. And then you can go back to old posts about the opinions of costs/benefits in fighting AHJs as has been discussed by this body. I know that every day someone is changing my mind about how I think about things.
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Carrol Glimstad <[email protected]> wrote: > Is it kosher to just tell him "cuz Roland says so!"? :) > > Hehehe... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ron Greenman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:47:50 AM > Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? > > You might show them the latter part of the thread and a copy of the > book with Roland's name in it. This may not work though. I've had an > AHJ whose never been to a committee meeting, or even know he was > talking to a committee member (not me for this one) say Roland was > misinterpreting the intent of the code. Those folks that Cecil alluded > to having a why don't you discussion (jack and Ken) also have some > firepower when it comes to explaining what was meant. > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Carrol Glimstad > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yup, it was printed in 2004, unfortunately that's the only "white paper" that > I >> see regarding Residential and it's posted on their website. Think a bit of >> updating might be in order! :) >> Carrol >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Roland Huggins <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tue, November 2, 2010 9:24:00 AM >> Subject: Re: Residential "Room Design Method"? >> >> well it didn't occur in 02 so it wouldn't be in OLD Tyco data. As others >> have >> pointed out, the explicit reference in 13:11.3 is all the fire power one > needs. >> >> Roland >> >> On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Carrol Glimstad wrote: >> >>> Makes perfect sense to me! But, BUT what do I do when I look to NFPA to >>> give >>>me >>> some fire power to help with convincing my plan reviewer and "they" come >>> back >>> with the response that small rooms are NOT allowed to be considered in >>> residential applications? I guess I'm assuming that when the sprinkler > head's >>> manufacturer's cut sheet states " a minimum discharge of 0.1 GPM/sq. ft. >>> over >>> the "design area" comprised of the four most hydraulically demanding >> sprinklers >>> for actual coverage areas protected by the four sprinklers.", that "actual" >>> means ACTUAL. Yes, my head is 10 feet off of two walls, but my flow table >>> on >>>my >>> LFII cut sheet tells me that I can and that I'm gonna hit that back wall as >>>long >>> as I have the flow and pressure to back it up. But my actual coverage area > is >>> NOT 400 sq. ft.! Not even close. >>> >>> It doesn't help my situation either when in the Tyco white paper on >> "Residental >>> Sprinklers Used in NFPA 13, 2002 Applications", the author makes NO >>> reference >>>at >>> all to 8.6.2.1.2. He only cites the S x L rule for determining coverage >> areas. >>> (big sigh...) >>> >>> Carrol Glimstad >>> Sierra Fire Design >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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