You need to look at the requirements for existing structures in the IBC which 
states "The legal occupancy of any structure existing on the date of adoption 
of this code shall be permitted to continue without change, except as is 
specifically covered in this code, the International Property Maintenance Code 
or the International Fire Code, or as is deemed necessary by the building 
official for the general safety and welfare of the occupants and the public." 
The requirements for existing structures under the IFC are "No change shall be 
made in the use or occupancy of any structure that would place the structure in 
a different division of the same group or occupancy or in a different group of 
occupancies, unless such structure is made to comply with the requirements of 
this code and the International Building Code. Subject to the approval of the 
fire code official, the use or occupancy of an existing structure shall be 
allowed to be changed and the structure is allowed to be occupied for purposes 
in other groups without conforming to all the requirements of this code and the 
International Building Code for those groups, provided the new or proposed use 
is less hazardous, based on life and fire risk, than the existing use." At the 
start of the project the Owner of their design professionals should have had a 
meeting with the appropriate code official to determine the basis of design. 
Such as will we need to install smoke and heat vents; or is this a change in 
hazard or occupancy? It is hard to start making changes after construction 
starts and the change orders come rolling in. Or if "design build" the job goes 
from "profitable" to "contributions to Owner and/or the lawyers".

In my opinion this should have been determined before the start of the retrofit 
construction modifications so the contractor is not stuck in the middle. 

Now just to throw gas into the fire.

The IBC Commentary suggests that the increase in travel distances associated 
with the provision of smoke and heat vents is "because of the increased 
visibility provided in a fire event if the roof-venting system is properly 
designed and installed in accordance with Section 910.0."

In "Venting" theory, natural convection roof vents rely entirely on the fact 
that a pressure difference exists across them, tending to push fluid from high 
pressure to low pressure regions. When a fire occurs in a room, the hot gases 
rise vertically (buoyancy induced flows) in the form of a plume from the 
combustion zone and then flow horizontally below the roof until blocked by a 
vertical barrier (end wall or draft curtain) forming a hot gas layer below the 
roof. The volume and temperature of gases to be vented are a function of the 
rate of heat release of the fire and the amount of air entrained into the fire 
plume. The replacement cold air flows into the room through leakage paths in 
the outer walls

The IBC specifies the requirements for smoke and heat vents when used to permit 
an increase in travel distances to 400 feet. Essentially, roof vents spaced 
from 75 feet to 120 feet on center are installed along the roof. Draft curtains 
from 4 to 6 feet deep segmenting the building into areas ranging from 2,000 to 
50,000 square feet are also provided, except where ESFR sprinkler are used to 
protect the building. The vents are required to be automatic activated by heat 
responsive devices rated at 100o F to 220o F above ambient. These requirements 
parallel those contained within NFPA 204 Standard for Smoke and Heat Venting.

NFPA 204 is the foundation document upon which the concept of smoke and heat 
venting in large industrial buildings is based. As noted the requirements 
specified in IBC parallel these guidelines. 

Unlike IBC however, NFPA 204 differentiates between sprinklered and 
non-sprinklered occupancies, providing detailed guidance on the use and 
application of smoke and heat vents for non-sprinklered occupancies while 
stating that for sprinklered occupancies See Annex F.3: "Chapters 4 through 10 
represent the state of technology of vent and draft curtain board design in the 
absence of sprinklers. A broadly accepted equivalent design basis for using 
sprinklers, vents, and curtain boards together for hazard control (e.g., 
property protection, life safety, water usage, and obscuration) is currently 
not available. Designers are strongly cautioned that use of venting with 
automatic sprinklers is an area of ongoing research to determine its benefit 
and effect in conjunction with automatic suppression. A broadly accepted 
equivalent design basis (to that for non-sprinklered occupancies) for using 
both sprinklers and vents together for hazard control (e.g., property 
protection, life safety, water usage, obscuration, etc.) has not been 
universally recognized."

So where do we stand if the NFPA 204 notes that an accepted equivalent design 
basis for using sprinklers, vents and curtain boards together for hazard 
control is currently not available. Designers are strongly cautioned that use 
of venting with automatic sprinklers is an area of ongoing research to 
determine its benefit and effect in conjunction with automatic suppression. A 
broadly accepted equivalent design basis (to that for non-sprinklered 
occupancies) for using both sprinklers and vents together for hazard control 
has not been universally recognized." 

With the above noted concerns voiced by the NFPA 204 committee and the IBC and 
IFR blindly requiring venting, a serious dichotomy has existed for at least 40 
years concerning the ability to control fire through the use of automatic roof 
vents and adequately sprinklered buildings. This dichotomy is further 
exacerbated with the use the latest sprinkler technology in the form of Early 
Suppression Quick Response (ESFR) sprinkler systems. 

Why are contractors so enthusiastically taking on these type of projects?  

Have a fire safe day!

Regards

Jim  

Jim Davidson 
 
Davidson Associates 
Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting  
302-994-9500   Fax:302-234-1781


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: smoke vents for retrofit

I'd say it depends.  If it was in full compliance with the Code before you
add sprinklers I'd say no the sprinklers are above and beyond the MINIMUM of
the Code.

If it was not in compliance then maybe.  I'd say it needs to be brought up
to Code in all respects.  Some scenarios require both sprinklers and smoke
control, others just sprinklers.

Look in Chapter 1 for applicability that I believe is what is the guiding
Code section.  If it is existing HPS and doesn't have smoke control I'd be
first guessing it was not in compliance when built (or changed to HPS). 

Chris Cahill    


-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Grise [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:53 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: smoke vents for retrofit

If an existing building is retrofit with an area/density system to protect
high piled storage, does it need to have smoke vents and draft curtains
added as described in the IFC, or is that just new construction?

I looked around in the IFC/IBC/IEBC books, but I could not find anything
that would exempt the vents and curtains. Does anyone recall any way to
avoid them (other than ESFR)?

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
*Licensed in KS & MO

913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
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