caveat |ˈkavēˌät; ˈkäv-| noun a warning or proviso of specific stipulations, conditions, or limitations. • Law a notice, esp. in a probate, that certain actions may not be taken without informing the person who gave the notice. ORIGIN mid 16th cent.: from Latin, literally ‘let a person beware.’
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: > Rich, thanks for pointing out the caveat. The last warehouse I got to do was > in Bedrock, near Fred and Wilma's place. I see auto vents are allowed under > certain conditions-- I guess we use the same curves as no vents though. Is > that what caveat means-- I have been meaning to look that one up? > Brad > Ps- it will take some time to read the report- DUH! Who knew you had to > download a pdf 1st?- I'm glad I had hard copy before I would have felt > ungreen to have it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richardson, R [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 12:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: smoke vents for retrofit > > Seattle has many warehouse buildings legally built that have no vents and in > many cases no sprinklers. We are allowing such buildings to continue w/o > vents when they have a "good" sprinkler system, particularly if a previously > unsprinklered building was being sprinklered. This is based on the FM test > showing a negative affect on sprinklers in storage occupancies with vents > opening. > > I have not had time to read the NIST report you reference in detail, but on > the surface that report does not seem to dispute the FM analysis at all. > That reports seemed to have a different purpose than the FM test, I suspect > the purpose of this report was to sell the "value" of vents to code > committees, whereas FM simply wants to have effective sprinkler systems. > > I assume you have seen the caveat in the NFPA 13 storage section where it > says that these criteria are based on no vents in the building. > > Rich Richardson > Seattle Fire Department > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 09:36 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: smoke vents for retrofit > > I'd say it depends. If it was in full compliance with the Code before you > add sprinklers I'd say no the sprinklers are above and beyond the MINIMUM of > the Code. > > If it was not in compliance then maybe. I'd say it needs to be brought up > to Code in all respects. Some scenarios require both sprinklers and smoke > control, others just sprinklers. > > Look in Chapter 1 for applicability that I believe is what is the guiding > Code section. If it is existing HPS and doesn't have smoke control I'd be > first guessing it was not in compliance when built (or changed to HPS). > > Chris Cahill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Grise [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:53 PM > To: '[email protected]' > Subject: smoke vents for retrofit > > If an existing building is retrofit with an area/density system to protect > high piled storage, does it need to have smoke vents and draft curtains > added as described in the IFC, or is that just new construction? > > I looked around in the IFC/IBC/IEBC books, but I could not find anything > that would exempt the vents and curtains. Does anyone recall any way to > avoid them (other than ESFR)? > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > Sales Engineer > Alliance Fire Protection > *Licensed in KS & MO > > 913.888.0647 ph > 913.888.0618 f > 913.927.0222 cell > www. 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