I had forgotten on my way out the door I did a 100 watt bulb- it was 5'-4" for the 60 watt bulb (27'-8" for the same bulb and milk on the moon). I was 14 when I cleaned my last quail- I thought the bird was clean enough before I killed it- I tried fly-fishing, but still found a way to retain the lawn chair, bobber, beer and cigarette too. It was skim milk, 3.781 liters. I am excited about having something to do this weekend- the milk expires Sunday, so I need to work on finishing it. Or I could use the 10MW fire Chris used at that arena, and shoot it over to the next county.
-----Original Message----- From: Ron Greenman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 5:25 PM To: [email protected]; Charles Thurston Subject: Re: Fire Pump's Was it really a gallon or four liters? On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Todd, > > I wondered of it was Whole milk or 2%, Was it cold or room temperature ? > > Thursday, November 18, 2010, 6:00:05 PM, you wrote: > >> In a permutation the order matters, in a combination the order >> doesn't matter (technically, it should be a permutation lock). Class dismissed. > >> As Cliff said, go buy a gun or a fishing rod and have at it. > >> BTW, was the gallon of milk at rest? > > >> At 05:32 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote: >>>Thanks Cliff, you are right I guess- after tonight I will, maybe-- tonight I >>>want to figure out 'Combinations', as opposed to 'Permutations'. Before work >>>this morning I figured out how high the fire power of a 60 Watt bulb could >>>make a gallon of milk jump-- 8'-10" in 1 second! Does this seem right? > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Cliff Whitfield [mailto:[email protected]] >>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:59 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: RE: Fire Pump's > >>>Ken, > >>>Who wants to do math when I can look at a graph? And Brad, you need to get >>>a life if you go home thinking about calculations and such! :) Take up >>>fishing or hunting or something relaxing. > >>>Cliff >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [email protected] >>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>ParsleyConsulting >>>Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 12:32 PM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: Fire Pump's > >>>No, Brad, I didn't. > >>>What I saw was what the AHJ saw - a pump whose rated capacity was 1,275 >>>gpm. He asked the reasonable question - what kind of pressure am I >>>going to have available from the municipal supply at that flow? > >>>The calculations for P_F for the underground from the main to the pump, >>>and for the P_E from the main to the pump were irrelevant to his >>>inquiry. He wasn't suggesting Brian had done the calculations >>>incorrectly, or that there was somehow a greater demand from the >>>sprinkler system that was shown in the calculations. What he was asking >>>was how much pressure he'd have when the annual test at 150% was to occur. > >>>The answer, using the formula from the marvelous book by Pat Brock >>>indicated that with a supply curve of 86/68/920, you could expect the >>>available pressure at a flow of 1,875 gpm to be around 18.8 psi. > >>>That could also be determined by using an N1.85 log graph, but graphs >>>are for wimps who don't understand math. > >>>PARSLEY CONSULTING > >>>Ken Wagoner, SET > >>>760.745.6181 voice > >>>760.745.0537 fax > >>>[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>e-mail > >>>www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com>website > > > >>>On 11/18/2010 9:59 AM, Brad Casterline wrote: >>> > Ken, >>> > The highest flow I saw was 1560.2 from "UG" to "TEST". You saw 1875 >>>flowing >>> > somewhere? >>> > *********************************** >>> > >>> > Ralphy, >>> > >>> > From the material that Brian sent over to me, he did indeed show the >>> > pump flowing 150% of it's rated capacity back to the municipal supply. >>> > >>> > At that point on the supply curve the municipal supply could deliver the >>> > flow, but it would only be at a pressure of approximately 18.8 psi >>> > >>> > The supply curve was 86 psi static, 68 psi residual, at a flow of 920 >>> > gpm. The pump was rated at 1250 gpm at 75 psi. >>> > >>> > And I think you're right, based on the info I read in the '10 edition of >>> > NFPA-20, as well as the notes in NFPA-25 on annual testing, this >>> > calculation should be done. >>> > >>> > The FM who Brian was dealing with wasn't concerned about the sizing of >>> > the underground, or for that matter, the demand of the fire sprinkler >>> > system. His only concern was - apparently - what pressure is available >>> > from the supply when the flow is pushed to 150% of the rated capacity? >>> > Sounds to me like a legitimate question. >>> > >>> > PARSLEY CONSULTING >>> > Ken Wagoner, SET >>> > 760.745.6181 voice >>> > 760.745.0537 fax >>> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>e-mail >>> > www.ParsleyConsulting.com<http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com>website >>> > >>> > >>> > On 11/17/2010 1:12 PM, Ralphy Henderson wrote: >>> >> I've done separate calcs in the past just showing the friction losses >>> > occurring during 150% of rated flow. Shouldn't this be done anyways to >>> > verify that the municipal water pressure isn't getting dangerously low? >>> >> I'd just show the fire pump flowing the 150% with nothing else going on >>> > just to verify A) The UG is sized appropriately and B) You're not sucking >>> > the municipal water dry. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >> >>> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >> >>> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>> >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> > >>> > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> > >>> > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>> > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> Todd G. 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