But Kevin gets graded as incompetent for misspelling incompetent (incopitent) (and I almost incompetently misspelled the way he misspelled incompetent). :0)
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > We don't bash anyone PE or non-PE who has interest in this forum for the sake > of learning. It's those who think they know it all and have no desire to > learn or listen that we like to barbeque. ;) > > Active participation that has educational value is always welcome and > encouraged. > > Stuff showing how dumb or arrogant some people are also provides > entertainment value which we need now and then as well. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law, Kevin W > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > Be gentle, now.........I appreciate that you said only "no gold star" instead > of going off on a rant about incopitent engineers. Some of us do try to > learn and willing to listen to reason........ > > > Kevin Law, PE > Sr. Fire Protection Engineer > HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE > Bechtel National - WTP Project > Ph. 509-371-3280 > Cell 509-531-5715 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > Under the lowest landing due to the possibility of that space being used for > storage. If the space is totally enclosed then there is no access for > storage and no head is required if the stair is non-combustible. The spec is > correct. <sigh> The Engineer has taken some license on his quote of the 13 > section. The word "accessible" is not in the script. So no gold star for > him. > > > NFPA 13, 2007 - 8.15.3.2.1 "In noncombustible stair shafts having > noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited combustible finishes, > sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first > landing above the bottom of the shaft." > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory Power > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > I have an an engineer asking to provide a sprinkler under the first > landing of a non-combustible stairwell. The spec for the job states that > "Sprinkler shall be installed at top of shaft. Space below first landing > is considered concealed, non-accessible, non-combustible, and hence does > not require sprinkler protection." > > he engineer who is reviewing my plans sent me an email stating the > following: > > *8.15.3.2 Noncombustible Construction.* > > *8.15.3.2.1 *In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible stairs > with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers shall be > installed at the top of the shaft and under the first > accessible*landing*above the bottom of the shaft. > > We always took this to mean the sprinklers are required under the first > landing? And by accessible we took this to mean access could be provided > by a access panel.." > > Is this the way I should be interpreting the code? Do I still have to > sprinkler under the landing and make sure there's an access hatch? or > should I be able to omit it like the spec indicates? > > I have been following this forum for a while now. 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