Dang it!!!!!!! I thought that I should have run the spell check before I sent it. My high school biology teacher would publicly roast me for my lack of spelling prowess. (I did run it this time)
Kevin Law, PE Sr. Fire Protection Engineer HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE Bechtel National - WTP Project Ph. 509-371-3280 Cell 509-531-5715 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Sprinkler under first accessible landing But Kevin gets graded as incompetent for misspelling incompetent (incopitent) (and I almost incompetently misspelled the way he misspelled incompetent). :0) On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 7:59 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > We don't bash anyone PE or non-PE who has interest in this forum for > the sake of learning. It's those who think they know it all and have > no desire to learn or listen that we like to barbeque. ;) > > Active participation that has educational value is always welcome and > encouraged. > > Stuff showing how dumb or arrogant some people are also provides > entertainment value which we need now and then as well. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Law, > Kevin W > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > Be gentle, now.........I appreciate that you said only "no gold star" instead > of going off on a rant about incopitent engineers. Some of us do try to > learn and willing to listen to reason........ > > > Kevin Law, PE > Sr. Fire Protection Engineer > HVAC/Fire Protection, M&PE > Bechtel National - WTP Project > Ph. 509-371-3280 > Cell 509-531-5715 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 5:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > Under the lowest landing due to the possibility of that space being used for > storage. If the space is totally enclosed then there is no access for > storage and no head is required if the stair is non-combustible. The spec is > correct. <sigh> The Engineer has taken some license on his quote of the 13 > section. The word "accessible" is not in the script. So no gold star for > him. > > > NFPA 13, 2007 - 8.15.3.2.1 "In noncombustible stair shafts having > noncombustible stairs with noncombustible or limited combustible finishes, > sprinklers shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first > landing above the bottom of the shaft." > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory > Power > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:19 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Sprinkler under first accessible landing > > I have an an engineer asking to provide a sprinkler under the first > landing of a non-combustible stairwell. The spec for the job states > that "Sprinkler shall be installed at top of shaft. Space below first > landing is considered concealed, non-accessible, non-combustible, and > hence does not require sprinkler protection." > > he engineer who is reviewing my plans sent me an email stating the > following: > > *8.15.3.2 Noncombustible Construction.* > > *8.15.3.2.1 *In noncombustible stair shafts having noncombustible > stairs with noncombustible or limited-combustible finishes, sprinklers > shall be installed at the top of the shaft and under the first > accessible*landing*above the bottom of the shaft. > > We always took this to mean the sprinklers are required under the > first landing? And by accessible we took this to mean access could be > provided by a access panel.." > > Is this the way I should be interpreting the code? Do I still have to > sprinkler under the landing and make sure there's an access hatch? or > should I be able to omit it like the spec indicates? > > I have been following this forum for a while now. This is the first > question I have posted. > > > - Cory > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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