Thanks Ron, I was starting to wonder why we've been doing all that extra work in parking garages...

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On 10/4/2011 8:04 PM, Ron Greenman wrote:
Nope. Cory's right. Go further into the section, 7.2.3.6 (I put the book
away and so I don't have the last number) and you'll see that you're
referred back to the same table when using a manual method. There is a
disclaimer about not having to hitting the calc time dead on but within the
allowable range. I was in the handbook so some of my comments might have
come from the commentary. So the question of can you use multiple orifices
has been answered. You're apparently required to do so depending on hazard
type if you're using 2010. Now is an 1 x 11.2K equivalent to 2 x 5.6K? That
was the still unanswered original question.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Rod DiBona<[email protected]>  wrote:

Cory,

That is only for calculations using a fluid delivery time calculation
software. As Ron said when doing an IT it is always the smallest orifice
used to ensure a trip. These are two totally different issues. FYI.

Rod DiBona
Rapid Fire

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cory Power
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Equiv Orifice for OH Inspectors Test

NFPA 13 Table 7.2.3.6.1 Dry Pipe System Water Delivery

States Ordinary Hazard group 1 to have 2 most remote sprinklers initially
open with 50 second water delivery time

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On 10/4/2011 7:38 PM, Ron Greenman wrote:
I'm afraid you always use the single smallest orifice in the system as
you
IT test orifice and one only, no matter the hazard. The objective is to
insure that trip time or alarm  initiation occurs within the allotted
time
if only one head of the smallest orifice type in the system is flowing.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Cory Power<[email protected]>
  wrote:
Doesn't Ordinary Hazard require two flowing heads?


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On 10/4/2011 7:24 PM, Ron Greenman wrote:

This may be a dumb question but if it's a system with 5.6K heads as the
smallest orifice then it needs to alarm (AV) with one head flowing or
trip
(DPV) with one head flowing. Why would you have two heads for the IT?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Cory Power<[email protected]>
wrote:
   The reason I'm asking is because it is an ordinary hazard  system and
in
the plans they spec the inspectors test routing to a hub drain in a
janitors
closet. It would be much easier to have one 11.2k orifice above the
hub
drain than two 5.6 k's.


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On 10/4/2011 6:07 PM, Justin Reid wrote:

   The Q=k*sqrt(p)  math says that it should be equal flow with equal
pressure.
I guess you would have slightly less pressure with the 11.2 since
there
is
more flow(friction).

I just had an issue yesterday trying to get a flow valve to trip with
a
remote test (one head) and thought the same thing (to look at using
two
heads).

Good luck,

Justin Reid




On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Cory Power<[email protected]>
wrote:

   Just wondering if anyone have used an 11.2 K Orifice to substitute
for
two
5.6 k heads on an OH1 Dry Inspectors test? Shouldn't it be
equivalent?
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