Check for definitions in your building code for dwelling units. You still may be required to do closets, bathrooms and attics of course. Also follow the guidelines in NFPA 13. These bedroom wings are usually residential areas contrary to what the AHJ is saying. You may need to calculate .10 minimum density but 4 sprinklers should be adequate calc area. This what I have applied many times in the past. I-2 will likely require a full 13 system per the building code but you can apply residential rules from 13.
Arthur Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection Design Tiroly and Associates 24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143 216-621-8899 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 This particular project is coming down to the AHJ stating that the resident's rooms are not dwelling units. They are 1-2 bedroom units with a bathroom and closets. It looks like a typical hotel room. So, when is a dwelling unit not a dwelling unit. That is the question. This is a long term care facility. We have no idea where this plan reviewer is coming from. On 10/31/2011 2:06 PM, Ron Greenman wrote: > Duane, > > The exceptions allowing 13R and 13D are not referring to the > residential head language but to the "throughout." 13 says sprinklers > everywhere and 13R and 13D have allowances for unsprinklered areas so > if your particular > I-2 falls within a provision that would allow 13R or 13D you can then > follow those guidelines and ignore the throughout. > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]< > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Then Chapters 32/33 for Residential Board and Care chapters are >> applicable...IF NFPA 101 is applicable. Section 32.2.3.5.1 has >> similar verbiage as noted below by Jack. You should read the next >> few paragraphs as they go into detail when, where and what else is >> required for the 13, 13R and 13D design choices. >> >> Duane Johnson, PE >> Program Manager >> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research >> Services National Institutes of Health >> 301-496-0487 >> >> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Travis Mack, SET [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:10 PM >> To: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >> >> it is a memory care facility. >> >> On 10/31/2011 9:08 AM, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] wrote: >>> What is the occupancy? I-2 does not necessarily parallel with NFPA >>> 101 >> Health Care chapters. >>> Duane Johnson, PE >>> Program Manager >>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) Office of Research >>> Services National Institutes of Health >>> 301-496-0487 >>> >>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Fairchild, Jack [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:06 PM >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >>> >>> NFPA 101,2006 allows it. Chapter 18 New Health Care Facilities >>> >>> 18.3.5.5* Listed quick-response or listed residential sprinklers >>> shall >> be used throughout smoke compartments containing patient sleeping rooms. >>> A.18.3.5.5 The requirements for use of quick-response sprinklers >>> intend >> that quick-response sprinklers be the predominant type of sprinkler >> installed in the smoke compartment. It is recognized, however, that >> quick-response sprinklers might not be approved for installation in >> all areas such as those where NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation >> of Sprinkler Systems, requires sprinklers of the intermediate- or >> high-temperature classification. It is not the intent of the 18.3.5.5 >> requirements to prohibit the use of standard sprinklers in limited >> areas of a smoke compartment where intermediate- or high-temperature >> sprinklers are required. >>> Where the installation of quick-response sprinklers is impracticable >>> in >> patient sleeping room areas, appropriate equivalent protection >> features acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction should be >> provided. It is recognized that the use of quick-response sprinklers >> might be limited in facilities housing certain types of patients or >> by the installation limitations of quick-response sprinklers. >>> You should also check NFPA 99. >>> >>> Jack Fairchild, CFPS | Manager of Fire Protection and Life Safety >>> | >> Ballinger | v 215.446.0596 | f 215.446.0597 | 833 Chestnut Street >> Suite 1400 Philadelphia, PA 19107 | www.ballinger-ae.com >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, >> SET >>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:58 AM >>> To: Matt Grise >>> Cc: '[email protected]' >>> Subject: Re: Residential Sprinkler in I-2 >>> >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL:< >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/atta >> chments/20111031/03b78a21/attachment.html >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
