But now you're in a pissing contest ("Stop! This is not a debate nor will
this discussion continue." ... "I do not have time, nor does my staff to
go back and forth with you on this and it will hold up the project." ), and
that you can't win on your own.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yeah they mitigated $20k of tax payer money for a comfortable judgement
> not counting what they spent on the consultant. How can any building of
> that is 50,000 sqft. have all interior portions within 150 ft. of where
> they can park a fire truck? It's not an interpretation issue it's a mistake.
>
> Ron Fletcher
> Aero Phoenix
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Reid
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:34 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement?
>
> There is no requirement for standpipes in this case. It just looks like
> the design team came to a conclusion that the standpipes would provide an
> "equivalent" level of protection. I am only guessing.
>
> Keep in mind that the exception in the IFC states that the fire code
> official can extend the 150 ft requirement when the building is sprinklered
> (exception 1) or even if basically impractical (exception 2).
>
> The FM in question probably did not feel comfortable making a judgement
> call on this and required the standpipes. That way, they at least did
> "something" to mitigate.
>
> Justin Reid
>
>
>
> On 1/30/13, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > If that is the case, then ask the ICC for an official code
> > interpretation about placing standpipes on mezzanines in a 1 story
> building.
> >
> > Duane Johnson, PE
> > Program Manager
> > Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services
> > National Institutes of Health
> > 301-496-0487
> >
> > "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Drucker [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:01 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement?
> >
> > You mean to say after all the proposals, comments,hearings, adoption
> > comments the rules aren't clear ? Could that be the issue and not the
> > enforcer ?
> > John Drucker - Mobile Email
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: [email protected]
> > <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Wed Jan 30 12:54:05 2013
> > Subject: Fire Marshal requirement?
> >
> > Jim:
> >
> > thanks for the explanation on job duties.
> >
> > that kinda explains why some AHJ's won't bend to help "interpret" a
> > grey area, but it does not justify why they wont. If we all adjust in
> > tiny bits to accomodate the larger goal of improved design, then
> > things tend to move smoother, down the line. When someone rigidly
> > follows a job title, lock-step, it is explainable, but they don't get
> > a great review from my point of view. And then there are the few that
> > make interpretations on the far side of conservative, regarding the
> > prescriptions, with no credibility, other than their ability to stall
> construction.
> >
> > Its obvious we are all part of a team, but the incentives (in this
> > case, the FM written job description) is not helping, and obviously is
> hurting.
> > We are not machines. We are interpreting things as they need
> > interpreting, from time to time, and that is where we need to think of
> > ourselves as part of a design team (AHJ, designer / technician, EOR,
> > owner, and even the users of the building). Yeah, I know a lot of
> > team members are greedy, egotistical full-tards, which makes it hard to
> work cooperatively with them.
> > Maybe we should rate all the team members with
> > 360 degree reviews... Something should be done to offer better
> > incentives to work together and de-incentivise (or televise) the bad
> > actions so as to make them better actors.
> >
> > scot deal
> > Excelsior Fire/Risk Engineering
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