Justin, Standpipes are not a requirement, they are one of the options.
Ron F -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? Until you provide sprinklers and are able to extend the distance. Haha, playing devils advocate here. I wanted to point out that the code language is not clear. Thank goodness for that exception though. For every project that I have not put standpipes in because of this...I am still compliant regardless of the interpretation. Justin Reid Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 3:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The diagram in the commentary is a square building of no particular size with > a fire lane on all four sides. There is a 150' dimension line on all four > sides between the fire lane to the outside wall of the building. There is > absolutely no chance that any part of the building interior is within 150' of > the fire lane. > > Ron F > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin > Reid > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? > > If ICC means it to be only the exterior wall, they should strike out "of all > portions of the facility and" from 503.1.1,the actual code section, and not > leave it for clarification in the commentary. In the meantime I can see why > this would leave this section open to interpretation. > > Justin Reid > > On 1/30/13, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> Yeah they mitigated $20k of tax payer money for a comfortable >> judgement not counting what they spent on the consultant. How can any >> building of that is >> 50,000 sqft. have all interior portions within 150 ft. of where they >> can park a fire truck? It's not an interpretation issue it's a mistake. >> >> Ron Fletcher >> Aero Phoenix >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin >> Reid >> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 11:34 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? >> >> There is no requirement for standpipes in this case. It just looks >> like the design team came to a conclusion that the standpipes would >> provide an "equivalent" level of protection. I am only guessing. >> >> Keep in mind that the exception in the IFC states that the fire code >> official can extend the 150 ft requirement when the building is >> sprinklered (exception 1) or even if basically impractical (exception 2). >> >> The FM in question probably did not feel comfortable making a >> judgement call on this and required the standpipes. That way, they at least >> did "something" >> to mitigate. >> >> Justin Reid >> >> >> >> On 1/30/13, Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> If that is the case, then ask the ICC for an official code >>> interpretation about placing standpipes on mezzanines in a 1 story >>> building. >>> >>> Duane Johnson, PE >>> Program Manager >>> Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research >>> Services National Institutes of Health >>> 301-496-0487 >>> >>> "Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Drucker [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 1:01 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement? >>> >>> You mean to say after all the proposals, comments,hearings, adoption >>> comments the rules aren't clear ? Could that be the issue and not >>> the enforcer ? >>> John Drucker - Mobile Email >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wed Jan 30 12:54:05 2013 >>> Subject: Fire Marshal requirement? >>> >>> Jim: >>> >>> thanks for the explanation on job duties. >>> >>> that kinda explains why some AHJ's won't bend to help "interpret" a >>> grey area, but it does not justify why they wont. If we all adjust >>> in tiny bits to accomodate the larger goal of improved design, then >>> things tend to move smoother, down the line. When someone rigidly >>> follows a job title, lock-step, it is explainable, but they don't >>> get a great review from my point of view. And then there are the >>> few that make interpretations on the far side of conservative, >>> regarding the prescriptions, with no credibility, other than their >>> ability to stall construction. >>> >>> Its obvious we are all part of a team, but the incentives (in this >>> case, the FM written job description) is not helping, and obviously >>> is hurting. >>> We are not machines. We are interpreting things as they need >>> interpreting, from time to time, and that is where we need to think >>> of ourselves as part of a design team (AHJ, designer / technician, >>> EOR, owner, and even the users of the building). Yeah, I know a lot >>> of team members are greedy, egotistical full-tards, which makes it >>> hard to work cooperatively with them. >>> Maybe we should rate all the team members with >>> 360 degree reviews... 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