You need someone to hold a step ladder? We told the gc he would need to put up tie off points for us to attach to since the joist will not support the required 5,000 lbs. He made an executive decision that as long as we are properly using the step ladder, they will be satisfied by that. I guess money out of his pocket is a little different than time out of ours.
Thank You for all the input! BJ Newlin “The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new.” ― Socrates from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Greg McGahan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: OSHA Tie off requirements Date: Thu, Sep 19, 2013 4:41 pm I called a local GURU....the official answer is as follows: Tied off - NO Have a form of fall protection - YES - can be a person holding the ladder On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Daniel Wilder <[email protected]>wrote: > As I went through some classes a couple months ago (OSHA & MSHA). No > specific requirement for the ladder at that height (it kicks in at 15-20' > or so for "fixed" ladders), the fall protection requirement kick in based > on what is around you (leading edge, machinery, open containers, etc.). . > Working platforms are also worded so that the requirements are 6' and one > "could" argue the platform/ladder angle. MSHA is a different animal all > together. > > > https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=10839The > official wording > > > https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&p_id=23870Interpretation > saying no > > > https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=INTERPRETATIONS&p_id=25906Interpretation > saying no > > > http://nycosh.org/uploads/safety_hazards/Fall%20Protection%20Misconceptions%20and%20Myths.pdf(Page > 11) > > http://us.wernerco.com/support/faq/about-fall-protection I even found a > harness site that says it's not needed > > Some others I had BM'd > > https://www.osha.gov/Publications/osha3124.pdf > > https://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/stairlad.html > > http://osha4you.com/trainer-resources/fall-protection > > May want to check with the local OSHA office for their interpretation as > well. > > Dan W > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OSHA Tie off requrements > > I am willing to be wrong, but in the last 18 years I have never heard that > feet can be more than 6' off the ground on a ladder without being tied off > to the structure. > > If I am wrong, I would love to have the documentation to fight this issue > when necessary. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Douglas Hicks <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How do you tie off a ladder, it you cannot climb the ladder until it > > is tied off? > > > > -----Original Message----- From: BJ Newlin > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:25 AM > > > > To: > > sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > > nkler.org> > > Subject: OSHA Tie off requrements > > > > Hey everyone, > > > > We have a general contractor's safety consultant requiring us to tie > > off if our feet are more than 6'-0" above the ground when we are > > working off of a step ladder (our fitters feet are at 8'-0" off the > ground on a 10' ladder). > > My recollection is this isn't an OSHA requirement, as they assert, but > > more of a general contractors requirement, at least as it relates to > > step ladders. Does anyone know for sure one way or another if this > > specifically required by OSHA and where I could find that text? > > > > Thank you in advance! > > > > BJ Newlin > > > > [email protected] > > > > mobile: 913.208.1714 > > phone: 913.432.6688 > > fax: 913.432.5294 > > > > The secret of Change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting > > the old, but on building the new. > > - Socrates > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > > nkler.org> > > http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** > > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/list > > info.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@lists.**firesprinkler.org<[email protected] > > nkler.org> > > http://lists.firesprinkler.**org/listinfo.cgi/** > > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.**org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/list > > info.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org> > > > > > > -- > Greg McGahan > Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> > 1160 McKenzie Road > Cantonment, FL 32533 > 850-937-1850 > fax 850-937-1852 > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com> 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 fax 850-937-1852 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
