TO all,
If I remember correctly the permit that the trade contractor signs and submits
to the NJ code official (building or fire) states that the system(s) are
installed in accordance with the specific code enacted by the State of New
Jersey. No where on the permit does the permit refer to the code official's
approved plans. The only way to deviate from the lawful code is by written
permission from the code official on code official's letterhead specific to the
project and specific trade shop drawings. Anything else does not count. Old
saying "If the plan reviewer missed it, it is not a variance to the code
requirements.
Have a fire safe day!
Regards
Jim
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John
Drucker - Home
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1/2" and Seismic
Craig wrote; "I was not surprised at the first e-mail, that's what I hear all
the time... "the plan reviewer approved the plans", (even though they had
significant technical errors)."
Craig, here's a question for ya, just finished my sixth cup......if the plan
reviewer approved the plans that had significant technical errors what does
that say about the technician who designed and the professional engineer who
signed em ?
.....running for cover.
John
John Drucker, CET
Assistant Construction Official
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector
Red Bank, New Jersey
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: 1/2" and Seismic
I was not surprised at the first e-mail, that's what I hear all the time...
"the plan reviewer approved the plans", (even though they had significant
technical errors).
Had me goin' for a minute.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group Lead
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
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CH2MHILL Extension 74102
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 1/2" and Seismic
CORRECTION
that should read - an approved set of plans does NOT mean it's ok to violate
NFPA 13. I've gotta lay off the coffee.
Thanks John for the rapid catch and polite direct contact.
Roland
Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org
On Jan 20, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Roland Huggins <[email protected]>
wrote:
> DOn't forget that an approved set of plans means it is ok to violate
> NFPA
13. All an approved set of plans means is that you have permission to proceed.
So, even when approved, if you install it, you are responsible for
it being right. Now if there is an existing approved variance, all is
golden.
>
> Roland
>
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> Dallas, TX
> http://www.firesprinkler.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Charles Thurston <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This is an existing system. 1 1/2" branch with 1/2" outlet "T"s for
heads, They added a L/O ceiling 6" below the top of the pipe in the parking
deck. Now need to nipple over to a Dry Wax Over Lead (Local Ordnance) Dry Head.
Another contractor submitted plans, calcs and got a permit for this a 1/2"
Close, 1/2" x 1" 90, 1' Close nipple, 1" T with plug for the head. The other
contractor's foreman smarted off to one of the owners and they got thrown off
the site. Material is all there, Just need the labor to put it in.
>
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